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[-] TheAlbatross 247 points 1 week ago

There's a part of me hoping dudes going along with it to aid in the others escape, solidarity style, and he's got some iron clad alibi his lawyer plans to deliver in the courtroom that means they can't convict him.

[-] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 136 points 1 week ago

I want this timeline so damn bad

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 40 points 1 week ago

In which timeline are you? Harambe alive or Harambe dead?

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

I never put my dick away for Harambe. Does not matter what HR has to say about it.

[-] Siethron@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

HR stands from Harambe Repressors.

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[-] millie@beehaw.org 16 points 1 week ago

Luigi is player 2.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

As if they would care. There will be no justice here.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 186 points 1 week ago

Don't get me wrong. After all of this high drama, it would be extremely funny if Luigi Mangione can prove he was in Rochester on the day of the shooting.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I think that's exactly where it's going. Get convicted, real killer confesses and the state can't pursue a crime they've convicted someone for.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 14 points 1 week ago

Why not? The double jeopardy clause is about prosecuting a single person twice; it says nothing about prosecuting a second person for the same crime. Heck, convicting a second person wouldn't even automatically invalidate the first conviction. (SCOTUS has ruled that innocence is not a sufficient reason to overturn a conviction.)

Remember, we have a judicial system. Calling it a "justice system" is inaccurate.

[-] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago

innocence is not a sufficient reason to overturn a conviction

WHAT

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 week ago

It really is an absolutely bizaare story. Why would he walk around with the murder weapon like that?

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 week ago

I don’t trust the police so I don’t assume the items they claim that they got off of Luigi are legit. We’ll see what his lawyer says in court. We also don’t know if the gun that they say he had was the murder weapon. Have they done ballistics analysis or anything yet?

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

I think he wanted to be caught and make a statement. "Those parasites had it coming"

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Probably a majority of ppl on social media who don't like wealth inequality, have said that in some form.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago

That platform could be used by anyone though, so long as they look suspicious enough.

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

See, I think one of three scenarios might have happened:

  • Luigi didn't do it. He was framed and set up because out of the hundreds of prank tips, this guy looked "close enough."
  • Luigi did it, but the evidence was made up to make the case solid and the police look competent. Luigi wasn't stupid, but he's boned anyway.
  • Luigi did it, and he really was that stupid.

As a writer, one of the aggravating tropes we have to follow is, "make the story believable," when reality sometimes doesn't align with "a good story." Some criminals are really that stupid, and some armchair theory, based on decades of movies, books, and TV shows, you expect "hey, this is what they SHOULD have done is." And they didn't. It's like when a chessmaster has to watch complete amateurs play chess. "Obvious strategies" are ignored, and basically both players are just not thinking past their last move.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

The one person interviewed by media who had spoken with Luigi said the note (manifesto/confession) wasn't at the standard of Luigi's other writing, his style, his philosophy, his reading

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The thing is, whoever did it was pretty smart about much of the crime, which is why the story of how Luigi was caught and what they say he had on is person seems so odd relative to the behavior the previous week.

If it was Luigi, he was pretty disciplined and smart before, during and immediately after the crime with the only leak being showing his face at the hostel (which he may have been required to do when he gave them ID).

If he did do it and really had all that evidence on him, maybe he wanted to get caught? It seems crazy that anyone would hang onto a 3d printed gun when it would be pretty easy to destroy and dispose of it in multiple pieces and locations.

I’ve said it before but I truly believe that Luigi would still be free if he had plucked his eyebrows, regardless of whether he did it.

Edit to add, maybe he thought he’d get shot or captured at the scene and didn’t think too far beyond the immediate getaway? And with the stress of his picture up all over the news and social media, he kinda wasn’t thinking straight?

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

To be precise, we have no idea what evidence was collected or what it shows. All we know is what the cops said they found, and cops are notorious liars. Just ask Young Thug or Karen Read.

We can assume some of what the cops say is true, but the challenge is that we have no idea which parts.

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A slight variation on your second scenario is parallel construction.
I don't know if Luigi's the shooter or not, but if he did it, there's a decent chance whatever is presented as evidence has absolutely nothing to do with how they actually caught the guy.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago

Luigi did it, and he really was that stupid.

Given that he was valedictorian at his school, I find that unlikely to be the option.

I think you're missing a 4th option:

  • He did it, and believed it not worth the anxiety/suffering of living the rest of his life as a wanted man, so did what he could to get away from the immediate scene but ultimately turn himself in so to speak.

And there are almost certainly more nuanced options out there.

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[-] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

It looks like you couldn't decide on "bizarre" or "bazaar" so you split the difference. Bazaar is a market place, bizarre is weird. Just fyi, not trying to be a dick about it happy holidays love you

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[-] anachronist@midwest.social 70 points 1 week ago

Next time they pick a patsy for a guy with distinctive eyebrows they should find a guy with the same eyebrows.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Seriously a manifesto that starts off by praising the feds is about as suspicious as a cop going "Yeah, the suspect died in my custody, but before you think about giving me suspending me from the force with pay. He wrote this confession letter in his own blood confirming he killed himself and three whole paragraphs affirming that my massive cock is indeed large and super not-small."

[-] sudo@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

The "manifesto" isn't a manifesto at all. Its basically just a written confession. And reads like a forced one at that. To me, the theory that they used illegal means to catch him and are just planting evidence so they have a case makes way more sense. They probably lost him and had to tap into some NSA data to ID him. He probably wasn't a fucking moron and ditched the gun with the bag central park.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

That would explain that part that says

PS: "Oh yeah that Agent Smith guy who called in this arrest, he needs to be promoted and his co-workers need to stop complaining about his body odor, because it's quite pleasant actually. Prefer it to an air freshener."

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Between that, the discrepancy of the eyebrows, and the discrepancy of the backpack thing, so much of this doesn't add up. Not guilty.

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago
[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

Imagine what happens if someone with a charming smile and strong eyebrow game shoots another health care CEO.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
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[-] lolola 43 points 1 week ago

This is actually the beginning of the plot to Sonic Adventure 2. We should be seeing Luigi snowboarding down the streets of San Francisco any day now.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago

I really hope that Luigi does get acquitted. I mean if it is factual that he didn't do it and the real killer is out there... well then, I guess Luigi still got lots of fame, but at the same time we will also be happy that the real guy is not only free, but the mystery of who he is will make him cooler.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

I hope he is acquitted even if he is the guy behind the gun

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

The Claims Adjuster Abides.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Am I missing something or is this still just people being stupid about photos?

[-] spireghost@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's not really the photos. For me, it's that it's really unusual for him to have had all the evidence on hand. Like the ID, gun, silencer, notes, and a motive on hand, just chilling in McDonalds. He also gave away probable cause to search him by presenting the ID which he should have known was fake. Considering he took concealing steps like using a ghost gun, ditching his backpack, and making a relatively clean getaway, it's pretty odd.

Still it's obviously possible that he wanted to be caught or was exhausted... or just dumb enough to not think of that.

It IS a big thing that the evidence hasn't been presented officially yet. There's a lot of media talk implying that he's the guy but trial by media is not a verdict

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

I think that the gun and everything else were dumped and found and the cops are saying he had them on him when he didn't. I think they know it's him, but they didn't use legal means to identify him (parallel construction). They might have used some kind of new way of tracking people that they don't want to reveal to the public.

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Genuine question, but supposing we were to consider this theory, why would there also, one, be complaints about the cops parading him around as a victory, and two, people saying Luigi was a hero?

Whether you love or hate cops, they are not stupid. I'm sure if there was even an ounce of suggestion that they got the wrong guy, the cops would quietly decide not to be so smug about it.

And to those who side with him, he's either a hero/idol or he didn't do anything. Pick one. I myself pick the third choice.

Also, of note, it's quite a coincidence they found the guy, then found out his name, and then found out his wealthy upbringing, evidenced by the fact he was trying to be as low profile as possible at the time, which would've curbed the ability to do all of that in reverse order. If he wasn't the killer, that's like firing a bullseye in the dark.

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