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Borders shift, bro. (lemmy.world)
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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Europe and post soviet block Asia borders have also "shifted through centuries". Much of pre 2014 Ukrainian territory was gifted by Russia, some by "Poland", rather than colonized/invaded by Ukraine.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 145 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's weird how borders can move around on their own without any action from anyone.

Edit: On a more serious note, where exactly does this type of bias come from? I don't think of the AP as a highly ideological organization but is there some top-down pressure to frame things in a certain way? Does it come from the outside? Or is it just the prejudices of individual journalists and editors at play?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

Israel has several lobbying organizations that watch news organizations and lodge complaints with them if coverage isn't favorable. Check out the ex CNN employee who recently said they literally couldn't publish without Isreal's permission.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Insane. Marginally related... I've learned the last year or so since I took up a moderator position for a computer game.. Some complaints you just gotta disregard no matter how many people whine. Being offended is a you problem. not ours. I've had this happen equally amongst people who were percieved as right wing, or lefties.

evidentley the news doesn't know enough to just laugh at the whining and disregard the complaint.

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[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Manufacturing Consent

The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

https://chomsky.info/consent01/

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

Thanks, I've been meaning to read this book for a long time. Maybe the time has finally come.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think they made a video on the topic at one point if that helps ya to start digging into it.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Consequences of Capitalism: Manufacturing Discontent and Resistance by Noam Chomsky and Marv Waterstone is also a worthwhile read if you get around to it

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[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 42 points 1 week ago

Israel doesn't actively do anything, they are to be referred to in the passive voice only. Russia is the one who invades, shoots and kills people. Bullets fly into the heads of Palestinians and Israeli borders move, no responsibility here.

[-] Sop 28 points 1 week ago

Sometimes because the paper is financed/owned by some party that profits off of the colonial & genocidal project, sometimes because the paper gets scoops from 3 letter agencies who make such requests in return for scoops, sometimes it’s racism that the writer might not even aware of, but most often it’s a combination of those.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guess I was wondering if there's specific evidence of the way it works in this particular case. The AP is a non-profit, so it doesn't have the same structure as a privately or publicly owned firm. But of course, there's still the possibility of leadership imposing views onto its workers, though I think that's a little more challenging with a nonprofit. But I am curious about them because they are the source of a large amount of news published by other sources, so if they are biased then that bias infects the rest of the media whether they want it or not.

[-] Sop 7 points 1 week ago

I don’t know about AP specifically, but it’s a good question.

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 1 week ago

There's an inherent bias towards treating government statements as fact (whether that's police, government officials or military spokesmen). When the other side is a 'terrorist organisation' or a 'community leader', they're automatically treated as biased and suspicious. It's a pattern you see with Israel, police shootings, etc.

Obviously when the country in question isn't aligned with the West (Russia, China, etc), the qualifiers and doubt comes creeping back in, and journalists will include examples of past lies to underscore the point, which you'll never see in a story about the NYPD or Matthew Miller.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It is a cherry picked headline. Here is another from the AP that gives a different story: "Middle East latest: Israel plans an extended occupation of Syrian buffer zone"

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Even that is far too mild. The Syrian "buffer zone" is there to "protect" the Golan Heights, which was also originally pitched as a "buffer zone". Wonder what the long term plans are for this new "buffer zone", and which zone will buffer it next?

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[-] Sop 75 points 1 week ago

Disgusting, these media titans should be held accountable for manufacturing consent on genocide.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Using what laws though? I’m not aware of any actual method that can hold them accountable.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Luigi would find a way.

[-] Sop 27 points 1 week ago

Laws aren’t static, but the law also isn’t the only way to justice. In this case it clearly isn’t.

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Gotta love that passive language making autocracy sound mild.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

It's an outrage!!! Canada must do everything US demands faster.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Who is going to sign up for that war? (Any war)

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Edit: Well, as horrifying as it is to see how shallow folks understanding of history is, no one is paying me to be online and screaming against tiktok or whatever isn't that much fun. G'night y'all!

Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

If Ukraine kept Kursk, I can't imagine we'd really be complaining?

Basically, if you launch a surprise war I think you forfeit the right to be surprised or angry when your land gets taken.

Edit: Jesus, are the downvoters confused like the response below and think this is talking about Oct 7 as opposed to say, the repeated wars that actually changed the borders? Does TikTok not cover modern history or what?

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Hey dude, I just wanted to let you know there is an option in your settings so you don't see upvotes or downvotes.

Lemmy (AFAIK) doesn't even show you your total upvotes (karma... whatever it's called) by default either. None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

So why don't you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

I know I have.

(Lemmy is rad as fuck)

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Oh neat, thanks for sharing!

I don't actually care about downvotes or upvotes for comments (for posts, I'm generally trying to make communities laugh, so I do like them there to refine my approach etc.)

I'm more just... Well, it's Lemmy, some of the replies are, uhhh, impressive and heartbreaking (not because they're mean, it just makes me wonder about how we win a majority of votes while being associated with some goddamn crazy people.)

Anyway, really appreciate you sharing this, I'll probably use some of these settings!

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

Either your ignoring Israeli history older than the babies shot in Gaza, in which case you should finish your studies, or you think this applies throughout Israeli history, in which case you should start your studies.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

What on Earth?

When do you think the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars happened?

[-] popcap200@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah, you don't deserve the downvotes (IMO). The article is referencing border changes since Israel's inception. It's a lot more complicated than Gaza and Oct. 7th.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-borders-history-syria-gaza-war-golan-5fdf8fdbe2ec2cee7b9cf7f78fbb1c8c

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I appreciate that! Honestly, it's a little worrying how little historical context folks seem to have.

Don't know why I feel compelled to point it out other than being a glutton for punishment.

Anyway, thanks!

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Lemmy is anti Israel at best and absurdly anti semitic at worst. Palestine is schrodinger's country. It exists at the 47 borders, despite the inhabitants at the time rejecting those borders and losing several wars about it.

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be fair, Israel has also lost territory that they previously stole in large amounts on the Lebanon front.

Most of the land they've gained was in Palestine, but the USA and UK probably didn't recognize the Palestinian statehood anyways.

The pedantic difference here is like the difference between increasing and strictly increasing.

All news should use neutal language.

If journalist want to express their personal opinions, that's what editorials are for.

A simple rewrite of the article title on the left to: "Russia annexes formerly Ukrainian territory. Ukraine and NATO declares the act to be unlawful". Like this is much better, less biased title. Don't make the claim yourself, tell who is saying it.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Russia annexes formerly Ukrainian territory. Ukraine and NATO declares the act to be unlawful”

"Formerly Ukraine Oblast/territories referendum results choose joining Russia, with overwhelming celebratory joy. NATO declares democracy only valid when NATO approves of result."

[-] Sop 14 points 1 week ago

Media uses that tactic often, where they always platform the statements by Israel (that are very frequently lies that aren’t challenged at all even though it would be very easy to) but much less frequently from Palestinian sources. This makes it really easy for Israel to spread its narrative while Palestinians remain unheard and misunderstood.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

What goes through editor's heads on this shit?

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

That they dont want to be fired by their genocide sympathizing bosses.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Indeed, WTF. The Native Americans would view the US westward expansion like AP's headline about the shitstain Putin.

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