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[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 185 points 3 weeks ago

If you can radically change your political views like Fetterman has, based solely on a personal experience and not logical argument, then you never had a rational basis for your new views.

Even if everything Fetterman said was true, it's still damning.

Also, he was elected based on the views he professed at the time of the election. Even if he personally changes, he still owes it to his constituents to act like the person who they thought they elected. It's like he doesn't even understand the most basic principles of representative democracy.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 75 points 3 weeks ago

It’s like he doesn’t even understand

Conservatism in a nutshell.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

He understands American democracy. PA voted for Trump, so they would probably be more likely to elect a conservative senator next time around as well.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

He might think that, but it's not always the case that people vote all one way or all the other. They'll often go out of their way to vote for the other side if somebody has a lot of personality.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

This, North Carolina typically votes Democrat for Governor and Republican for President. Can't understand why even as a resident of the state. A lot of people realize the Democrats are holding back the wolves at the door, but they think the leader of the pack is somehow the one exception.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance and you'll realize that no one has a "rational" basis for their views. it's always ultimately based on feelings no matter how you disguise it with facts and logic

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I don't need to read that book in particular to know what you're saying is basically true. However, it's a misleading truth because it's actually a huge scale, and not a binary yes/no as you've presented it.

You have people on one end who devote their lives to truth, like philosophers and scientists. Yes, their deepest underlying reasons are emotional, but they still generate truth. And then you have people all the way on the other side of the scale, who seemingly have no grasp on reality as presented, and rely solely on emotion, similar to an animal.

But when you turn a scale like that into a binary option, that's the misleading part. Just because everybody's basic motivation is emotional doesn't mean that everybody is equally irrational.

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[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 142 points 3 weeks ago

Wow, what is up with all these people getting elected Dem and then switching. Where are all the Gopers switching to dem? smh.

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 148 points 3 weeks ago

It's easier to make money as a conservative.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

This tracks... I've seen home shows with John featured on them and I was always shocked how normal he lived.

I guess he saw enough of his colleagues to think "I'm no pleb", so he switched sides to enrich himself. He's an elite now, so he thinks he's better than all of us.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People who are actually Dem don't like playing dirty. The nature of believing in things like equality and justice and so forth tends to mean you believe in telling the truth and doing things on the up & up. Pretending you're something you're not is anthetical to one's upbringing. "Ends Justify Means" isn't usually a belief held by those on the left.

Whereas, if you're a sociopathic grifting opportunistic dipshit, you'll exploit this to nefarious ends.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 34 points 3 weeks ago

People with truly noble aims are always playing catch up to people with ignoble aims, because the former operates under a set of rules, and the latter does not.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 27 points 3 weeks ago

I think that's why chaotic good tends to be held above lawful good. Lawful good sits by and does everything by the book, resulting in a constant game of catch-up. Chaotic good puts a cap in a ceo's ass and makes the others paranoid.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah playing by the rules only works if the other side is bound by them as well. So the Lawful Good basically has one or both hands tied behind their backs while they take these relentless cheap-shots.

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[-] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Chaotic good is the best one out of any of them and I've been shouting it for 15 years

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[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago

I’m guessing they get more money since our government was sold to corporations.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 23 points 3 weeks ago

Much easier to grift off FUD than hope, and for many that income stream and power are near impossible to walk away from. If they tell themselves a lie enough they begin to believe it almost as much as their base does, and it's easy to get caught up in and go down the rabbit hole and end up outside of reality.

It's also easier to rationalize being the victim of "them" than it is coming to terms with being out of touch.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago

I suspect you are spot on with that. Sigh.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Less chance of falling out a window

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 3 weeks ago

My grandfather was a Democrat all his life until he got dementia then he hard shifted to Trump. I know its all jokes but I would be so much less than surprised if it was true.

[-] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think this is too far off. Synaptic pruning leaves us vulnerable to increasingly relying on heuristics as we age. It is entirely possible that cognitive decline makes us more drawn to less cognitively taxing messaging (generally conservatives).

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 50 points 3 weeks ago
[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Lol I can't tell if that was master class trolling or if that guy was serious 🤣

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 11 points 3 weeks ago

It was absolute masterclass trolling

[-] x0chi@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fucking liar. He's a born into a wealthy living and has been a jerk all along, just look at his own people where he live and ask them... They will say the same thing almost forecer.

It was the national media that glorified him into a character he never was.

He just wore a character that he's not and fooled the national media and democratic party, but in his town he's a jerk since ... Ever.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative" -- John Stuart Mill

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Every waking moment brings worse and worse political news. The only good involved someone getting murdered

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago

It's obvious he ran on a lie, then faked a change of character.

Especially since this doesn't line up with what people normally undergo in Near-Death Experiences. They typically make you kinder, not worse.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know. My dad drove over a landmine in Vietnam and he was a dick

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think it was obvious, honestly. He had a pretty long proven past in PA that made him popular and pretty fairly progressive.

Also this isn't about near death. This is about debilitating strokes that literally kill off parts of your brain. Depending which region was harmed it can drastically alter your personality and perceptions. Eg, the ACC is a key component of the brain associated with leftism.

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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Trump was also a member of the Democratic Party once - for 8 years (2001-2009) and he even donated to Harris back then. Source

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't think a wealthy elite who primarily lived in NY buying influence from the party that tends to control NY really counts when determining actual political beleifs

[-] Zess@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

He never really liked politics. His handlers chose the republican party because there are more weak-minded rubes to gobble up their absurd propaganda.

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[-] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 16 points 3 weeks ago

I know that "brain damage made me conservative" is sort of a meme, but this has happened to several friends and family of mine over the years. It's happened enough that I seriously think there's something to it.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Richard Dawkins, the esteemed biologist that coined the term "meme," suffered a stroke and started going hard on "there are only two sexes." Setting aside that gender =/= sex, how does a biologist not remember bimodal models are not clear dichotomies

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[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

As far as I've read, it's usually because of brain damage, drugs (brain damage), or serious trauma (brain damage).

[-] kinsnik@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] hmonkey@lemy.lol 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

He's still not conservative. He just perceives that the progressive label has changed so quickly that he no longer applies it to himself

Edit: That's quite an echo chamber you guys got here. Would be a shame if any outside opinions found their way in

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago

It never applied to him in the first place. It was always a ruse. If you look at his politics before he ran for Senate, he was always conservative. And very pro-Israel.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

What has changed about progressives in the last two years?

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[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Its funny how republicans can send false agents into the left's sphere of influence so easily. It's hard for the left to do the same because who wants to act like a republican. 🤮

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