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[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 252 points 2 months ago
[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 121 points 2 months ago

Careful, .world admins don't like people mentioning jury nullification

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 159 points 2 months ago

You mean that very legal and factually-suppprted facet of the American justice system that every juror should be informed about before making a decision in court?

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

They revised mod policy to only hand out bans/deletions if jury nullification was referenced as a cause to vilence, not a reaction o past events. I'm paraphrasing, of course.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

Yeah, basically

"Go do [Violence] and we'll do jury nullification afterwards" is bad, bur

"[Violence happened], but it was justified in the eyes of the majority of people so jury Nullification should happen"

Is OK

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago

We should all completely cease talking about it. It, of course being jury nullification.

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[-] riskable@programming.dev 242 points 2 months ago

Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on the man, as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder.

Ummm... That's awfully convenient. He just happened to have brought that exact gun with its suppressor to McDonald's. I'm skeptical.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 109 points 2 months ago

How do you not throw the gun away before leaving the city?? The ID was apparently on him too

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago

Exactly this. He pulls off the hit, escapes without a trace. But is somehow dumb enough to carry convicting evidence on him still while in a very public location?

Anyone would know to dump the evidence and lay low for a good while.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Toss that shit in a river and go back to your life like nothing happened.

Laying low and hiding just makes people suspicious. If the cops come looking and your work and friends haven’t seen you since the shooting, you look guilty as fuck.

Leave no trace and go back to your life. Looks way more plausible that you just took a mini vacation that way.

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[-] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 229 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We can't let the media take the narrative back and let them do a smear campaign on this person who might not even be the shooter. He's a suspect.

This ceo shooting broke the proverbial spell where what the population was actually saying wasn't being guided or swayed by the news.

We need to keep the steam up on the media pushback. All those savage, snarky comments and memes left on every news article, fb post, tweet... they got overwhelmed by us. That needs to keep happening so they can't go back to distracting and brainwashing people with fear and politics while they scapegoat this guy and try to make an example of him to the rest of us plebs.

They already tried to distract us with aliens and Diddy because people won't stop saying how much they hate insurance companies. Keep voicing your discontent where ever they leave an open comment box. Please do it. Not only is it cathartic, but it upsets the oligarchs and everytime you upset an oligarch someone's insurance is less likely to deny their claim.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This isnt the guy. This is their scapegoat. What I could read he seems to be a foreigner. Also the first part of the article is hilarious. Fucking cop who been on the job no more than 6 months and fellow officer saw this guy and just knew they have the right man no doubt in their minds didn't think twice. Fucking doesn't look like the killer even a little bit. Bunch fuck ups. Poor guy.

Edit: so guy isn't a foreigner, but he isn't the killer either.

[-] alphapuggle@programming.dev 58 points 1 month ago

just knew they have the right man no doubt in their minds

As a crim minor, this is the start to every documentary they show you about coerced confessions that have been discovered as false

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[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 153 points 1 month ago

I'd like to send out a special "Fuck you" to the asshole that called this tip in, whether it turns out to be the real shooter or not. I can't imagine being such a piece of trash to go do that.

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[-] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 149 points 1 month ago
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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 140 points 2 months ago

These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?

We’re animals just like everything else on this planet, except we’ve forgotten the law of the jungle and bend over for our overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their survival. “Violence never solved anything” is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.

(Quote from a book review made by the suspect)

[-] Rawdogthatexe@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago

A book review of the Unibomber manifesto! 4/5 stars lol

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Catching the suspect came down to “good old-fashioned police work,” New York Mayor Eric Adams said Monday, citing the McDonald’s employee who called in a tip.

Lol, you mean someone hitting the “easy” button and telling cops where he is? That’s “police work”? Waiting around for someone to do the work for you?

Edit: I wouldn’t want to be the person collecting the reward for the arrest of this individual.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago

Good old fashioned police work: either waiting for someone else to do the work, or setting up some poor sad sack to pin the crime on.

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 105 points 2 months ago

A bunch of rich people were scared. Now we are about to see a bunch of theater to make them all feel safe and good about treating the peasants poorly. Mark my words.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 100 points 2 months ago

Honestly he was so smart to be able to get away basically undetected. After I reflected on it for a bit, there's no way he would unintentionally be presenting the same fake ID, manifesto and carrying all the stuff he had. It seems deliberate.

Luigi will be remembered as the one who took on American Healthcare and actually did something about it, even if the full weight of billionaire-owned media and the full force of the law is going to be dumped on him.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 98 points 1 month ago

Fuckin' snitches.

No wait, hang on, you're telling me that this guy managed to get out of New York City after committing one of the most high profile killings ever and instead of laying low and waiting for the news to blow over he got caught in a McDonalds during an active manhunt with a fake I.D., the murder weapon, and a manifesto all on his person? Either he wanted to get caught, or I smell a scapegoat here. Can't have America's oldest gang losing face in front of their corporate sponsors, now can we?

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[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 96 points 1 month ago

Officer Tyler Frye, who has only been on the job for about six months, and a fellow officer responded to the McDonald’s where the suspect was spotted, the AP reports.

They asked him to pull his blue medical mask down and “recognized him immediately” Frye said. “We didn’t even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy.”

Frye said, “It feels good to get a guy like that off the street, especially starting my career this way, it feels great.”

Yeah... Great job. I'm sure your corporate overloads will appreciate it.

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 77 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ugh, was hoping they'd never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they'll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦‍♂️

I really wonder why he'd keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???

[-] SoleInvictus 92 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It's all just too "slam dunk" perfect for me to not question it.

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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 75 points 1 month ago

He made it all the way to middle-of-nowhere PA, but he was still carrying all the evidence on him? Sounds like they found Spartacus

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

RIP that McDonald's. They just dug their own grave.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 137 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's getting review bombed lol

McDonald's

https://g.co/kgs/yZWd4GM

Edit: Google is removing all reviews from today

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 65 points 1 month ago
[-] Limonene@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

The suspect was at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania and was recognized by an employee who then called local police.

I'm accusing parallel construction. The released photos have so little detail that there must be a hundred thousand Americans that match their appearance.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone did their Snowden reading:

Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to limit disclosure as to the origins of an investigation.

In the US, a particular form is evidence laundering, where one police officer obtains evidence via means that are in violation of the Fourth Amendment

De facto illegal and shady as hell, but in use when the (feds especially) want to catch someone, typically via warrantless SIGINT mass surveillance. They’ll do the investigation using dragnets and broad searches through metadata and other means that are illegal and inadmissible in court, then an incredibly convenient cop/witness/informant will appear with information that permits an arrest/search under permissible means - under the hope that the suspect has incriminating evidence.

This is wayyy too convenient to get him, with all the evidence on hand, from a ‘concerned citizen’. We live in a police state, that serves the ruling and moneyed class.

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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago
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I want to read his manifesto and support his defence.

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[-] RedirectDeposit@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 months ago
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[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 month ago

Fuck the people who reported him.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 45 points 2 months ago

Damn. I was hoping he’d get away with it.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Theres always next time.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

This doesn’t even look like him. Eyebrows nose and smile are completely different.

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[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago

2 days ago the "experts" were telling us how the shooters planning and brains were why he got out of the city so easily. now we're being told that he just happened to have the gun, silencer, fake id, and manifesto all on his person? not a chance, feel bad for this guy who's obviously a scapegoat and just the first similar looking dude they found

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

I am normally the first to decry dipshit conspiracy theories. However does anyone else find it interesting that they quickly arrested someone who looks not the same but similar to the released photos, with an untraceable 3d printed gun? That gun gives them the lack of need to prove where it came from and a vague air of suspiciousness. Oooh he wrote a suggestive book review. Case close boys?

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Will people be able to make freedom of information requests for the interrogation footage?

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago

Certainly. Anyone can.

Oh I'm sorry, the cameras malfunctioned at the same time the NVR crashed and the redundant backup failed.

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[-] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wish him a very merry ~~mistrial~~ JURY NULLIFICATION. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ

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[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

Doesn't look like remotely the same person as those photos

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago

There goes my hero....

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