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Biden called out supermarkets for price gouuging and got literally thousands of grocery prices lowered immediately afterward.
Yeah, but they didn't have a 24/7 propaganda network pipe it directly into my brain, so its their fault.
Um, yes.
Democratic media strategies haven't changed since the 90s, and that's a problem. Also, Trump did the independent media circuit and Kamala just didn't. In the few sit down interviews Kamala did, her top priority was message discipline, not connecting with voters. Every answer sounded like a stump speech. For all of Trump's lack of humanity, he came off as far more relatable than Kamala.
The entire campaign model used by the Democrats needs to be shredded. The consultants that have failed over and over and over need to be gone. Democrats need to deliver better for the working class, and they have to get much better at bragging about it. They can't continue to dull their message so as not to offend wealthy donors.
Voters need a narrative, and narratives need an enemy. Republicans have no problem finding an enemy, they just pick a disadvantaged group and go at it. Democrats must take on the corporate and wealthy interests that are legitimately keeping workers down, and they must do it loudly. That's the only narrative available to them. The strategy of beating up the targets the Republicans chose, but not as much, is a total loser.
Corporations: Here's a press release saying we intend to lower prices.
Biden: I'm gonna take credit for their PR move.
what are you talking about?
Biden released a billion barrels of gas and gas prices went down.
I mean, in the link Biden was taking credit for corporations' press releases about not gouging prices as severely as they had been for the previous three years when Biden just sat back and watched.
The record oil production that he's so proud of regardless of price is a different thing entirely.
where?
You're saying that Biden was taking credit for the corporations lowering the price of gas, while what happened was that Biden released a billion barrel of oil and then gas prices went down.
You’re saying that Biden was taking credit for the corporations lowering the price of gas
No, that's not what I'm saying. Did you even read the headline of the link you posted? I was talking about the content of the link you posted, which doesn't even mention gasoline.
You either didn't read what you linked to, or you have decided that you want to lie about me and my position. And since we've talked before, I'm not going to make the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt again. You lied about my position, and since I replied to your diversion about gas prices, you're going to continue lying and pretending that I was always talking about gas prices.
No. Go pull this shit on someone else.
"Go pull this shit..."
facts?
okay.
i will go pull "facts" again.
Thank you for confirming that my decision to not give you the benefit of the doubt was correct.
"Thank you..."
you're welcome!
"...was correct"
you were incorrect, since
biden lowered grocery prices:
and
biden lowered gas prices:
but that's okay! you'll be fine.
He did neither, the president does not have those capabilities.
I made no claims regarding gas prices, and already addressed your link about grocery prices.
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Gas prices have been lower than average too.
Lmao this is like raising prices in october to 'slash' them for black friday sales. "Hey everybody, remember last month when grocery prices got up to 3 times as high as when i took office? I had some really good phone calls with my corporate donors and we agreed that itd be a good pr move if we could announce theyre going back 'down' to 2.75x as much!"
not even close, that's all completely off the mark.
a literal global pandemic happened, and US food production companies were found responsible for price gouging simply for profit because they thought everyone would be too distracted by dying from the pandemic.
you combine price gouging, which Biden publicly exposed and told the worst companies to stop doing, and they did revert prices, in with shrinkflation, which Biden set up a regulatory committee specifically to combat, with Russia's War driving up energy prices, and Biden still was able to bring down inflation within a couple years to normal enough levels that the treasury stopped raising interest rates. he brought it down from 14% to about 2.
Yes, it is good that Biden was able to lower grocery prices and gas prices.
you wanted lower prices. Biden gave you lower prices.
Biden doesn't set grocery or energy prices, but he can bring them down as much as possible despite a service industry attacked by Trump, a pandemic killing and isolating the work force attacked and dismantled by Trump, and an aggressive War from a leading energy producer that will lead to more wars and higher prices with the support Trump has pledged to Putin.
Trump raised prices.
Biden brought the prices back down.
have fun with your reelected markups.
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Still, Dems were unable to communicate this to voters
yesss truth. helpful, effective policies and standoffish PR
gas is a commodity, it's price is based on opec oil production, whether we get oil from them or not, along with global demand, the seasons and severity of winters around the world, political bullshit on the other side of the world, and corporate greed.
if you want to lay blame on high prices in the u.s., blame yourselves first for your addiction to large, gas-guzzling vehicles (among other things)... then blame the oil companies, who produce more now than ever before and choose to export at higher prices than they can sell domestically (the u.s. actually exports more than we import).
egg prices have been affected by infected farms and loss of production, and compounded by corporate greed eyeballing opportunities to artificially inflate, and hold high, prices; and they'd rather write-off a culling than spend a dime on preventive measures such as lower density farms or vaccinations (you know how well that would play out with our far-right dominated media these days).
neither can really be controlled by congress or the president. neither is the democrat's fault. neither is biden or harris' fault.
blame yourselves first for your addiction to large, gas-guzzling vehicles
nah blame the lobbying and abuse of regulations that maintains the status quo of car-reliant infrastructure
if you didn't demand the giant trucks and weren't willing to pay giant premium prices for them; manufacturers wouldn't have the profit-driven motives to make them, focus almost exclusively on them, and cut production and selection of smaller and more affordable vehicles to 'make room' for them in the market.
There are legit regulatory issues that strongly incentivize manufactures to sell giant vehicles. Fuel efficiency standards for larger vehicles are a lot easier to meet. A lot of the demand for larger vehicles is driven by advertising.
Of course people could stop letting corporations drag them around by the nose, but it seems like most of the public still likes it that way.
Just to back you up, the regulations you are primarily speaking to are the CAFE standards. While the intent of CAFE standards is to reduce overall emissions and improve energy efficiency, the footprint-based model has led to a proliferation of less efficient, heavier vehicles that contribute to climate change and air pollution.
This was predicted back in 2011, before the standards were even active and it kind of played out exactly as they guessed.
I had this exact conversation several times with Americans while travelling for work in the USA.
Oil prices are up around the world and USA gas prices are actually really cheap compared to everywhere else.
In fact everything is pretty cheap compared to Europe and Australia.
But all they do is whinge and moan and blame Biden.
They have no friggen idea there's a whole wide world out there.
To be fair, you are probably not taking into account all the things Americans have to spend money on that are government services elsewhere. Healthcare alone takes a large chunk of American income. By the time people are spending money on groceries, there is often little or no money left.
I take your point but this was not the case for these people I was talking to. I pay their salaries and health insurance and they still take home 6 figures a year after all deductions.
Then they sit there complaining about gas prices and how Biden is running their lives when it's a worldwide thing and they have it better than 99% of the rest of humanity. Biden can't do shit about world wide issues.
The other day a guy i met from the D.C. area told me that low quality coffee costs 20$ a bag. Fucking pregrinded coffee for the filter machine. You can get the luxury beans for that money in Europe.
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Doesn't matter. You're right, but being right doesn't win elections.
The GOP claims they can fix it and that's all people hear and care about.
It's fucked up and sad, but true.
neither can really be controlled by congress or the president. neither is the democrat’s fault. neither is biden or harris’ fault.
False. just straight up false. you literally straight up mentioned things to address some of the problems in your post. But besides that congress absolutely can pass laws that penalize companies for profiteering and then enforce them.
Pass a law making CEO/board members personally liable w/ jail time for a company's profiteering on food prices and watch what happens at even the wiff of a federal investigation.
Now tell me how many democrats supported bernie's windfall bill?
How exactly do you make raising profit margins illegal? You can do it for natural disasters and such, but companies raising prices when the market allows is just what all companies do all the time.
The government is capable of addressing these issues, but not by making profiteering illegal. They need to break up monopolies, vertical integration, and certain trade associations. They also need to address short term performance pay for CEOs. Any performance pay should be tied to company performance over at least the next ten years, not this quarter.
Americans aren't educated enough to know the difference, so without more clever messaging, all these facts are written off as "educated people trying to show they are more superior than us".
Politics is a show of messagimg and failed promises and Dem's consultants and marketeers failed miserably at this.
BUT THEY HAD TAYLOR SWIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And more importantly, Dick Cheney! Republicans voted for them in droves and Democrats didn't stay home in disgust!
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Democrats Won Highly Engaged Voters: In the 2024 presidential election, Vice President Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party successfully retained support from frequent and highly engaged voters. However, they struggled to connect with less-engaged voters, where Donald Trump held a significant lead[1].
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Democratic Assumptions Challenged: The election results challenged several Democratic assumptions, such as the belief that increased voter turnout favors them. In 2024, Republicans benefited from mobilizing less-engaged voters[2].
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Demographic Shifts: Democrats faced difficulties with working-class and non-college-educated voters, while Trump expanded his support among these groups and in urban areas[2][3].
Citations: [1] Democrats won 'highly engaged' voters and struggled with everyone else in 2024 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-won-highly-engaged-voters-struggled-everyone-else-2024-rcna179957 [2] 5 Democratic assumptions shattered by the 2024 election: From the Politics Desk https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/democratic-assumptions-shattered-2024-election-politics-desk-rcna181725 [3] What Voters Told Democrats in 2024 https://www.thirdway.org/memo/what-voters-told-democrats-in-2024
The average shmoe doesn't give a f if the stock market is doing well if the groceries are high. Democrats could have addressed this asap and would have been better off come November. But anytime I said that I got yelled at how the economy is doing good..oh well, enjoy the fascism.
People want their bread and circuses
They'll definitely get a circus now.
Total clownocracy
I mean that's kind of expected when you can't afford bread.
I call bullshit on this narrative when the other side of the equation is the guy screaming about tariffs on our largest trade partners.
The other guy is fucking insane and his voters like it. Those people were never going to vote anything other than Republican and it makes no sense to bring them up in a conversation about Democrat failures.
The new trend will be to focus on how the democrats failed. It’s a tactic. Redirecting anger, and the media, to the wrong thing so that the real problem groups operate unnoticed.
Remember how lemmy was ablaze with “Genocide Joe?” Keep an eye on the ML and hexbears, as the usually ride the maga train.
Remember how lemmy was ablaze with “Genocide Joe?”
I mean people don't hate him any less for it; it just lost relevance because he stepped down as the presidential nominee.
Then why is anyone still talking about Biden? Time to move on.
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It helps when the people don't know what a tariff is so they can literally just lie about they will do.
Price of gas is high now? I hadn’t heard that complaint and the price has been going down.
Sure enough, I see a spike two years ago when the sanctions hit after Russia invaded Ukraine but it quickly got back to near normal and stayed that way or trended down. I guess the new plateaus is higher than four years ago but not by much, not recently, nor is there an upward trend.
It’s being going down because of Trump!! /s He will do eggs next before Jan.
Petroleum and animal products should both be expensive. Stop fucking killing me and the individuals I love.
I agree, but that's a different issue than changing people's consumption. Ignoring that things people consume have increased in price and not doing anything about it is effectively just a lower standard of living. It would be received very poorly if any political party tried to get rid of subsidies for fuel/animal products, you would need levels of state control comparable to the Soviet Union or another socialist country to get people to change their consumption to that degree. In capitalism consumption is many people's primary identity and it would take a lot of deprogramming to change that. This is to an extent going on and many climate groups are doing a good job getting people more comfortable with the idea of veganism/shifting away from fossil fuels, but saying you have less money in your bank account and that's a good thing because maybe you'll change your habits to avoid climate change would have resulted in a 50 state blow out, you will never get people on your side operating like that.
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