Can we also curb those big fat ugly SUVs in the rest of the world? They are not only more polluting but infinitely more dangerous.
EVs are such a mess in North America. Unless I want a Tesla it feels like I can only get gigantic SUVs or expensive luxury cars.
I just want to replace my Mazda 3 with an electric equivalent
I don't know why everyone forgets one of the first EVS. Look at getting a Nissan leaf, they are awesome.
It’s intentional sabotage by the oil lobby.
And there's quite a lot more brands with EVs in that size bracket coming out in the near future
Sadly none of those are available in the US except the EX30, and the starting MSRP is literally double that of something like the Mazda3 the OP mentioned.
I wasn't aware that both the VW and Renault wasn't available in the US... That sucks. But yeah, the MSRP for EVs are generally quite a bit higher, but that goes for pretty much every size of car, but that is only a tiny bit of the whole picture. I also didn't know the price disparity was that big in the US for the Mazda and Volvo... But when you are looking at EVs you really need to look at the service and fuel/electricity costs too.
I live in Denmark, so obviously my experience will be very different. I recently switched from a Ford Fiesta 2016 (5-door hatchback, gasoline, medium-high trim) to a Hyundai Ioniq 5 (fully electric, crossover SUV, top trim), and I drive about 30,000 km per year (~ 18600 miles). And when you factor in the cost of the car loan, the service subscription, the insurance, and fuel costs, then the much larger, and much more luxurious Hyundai Ioniq 5 comes out to costing me about the same per month.
I did all the math before we bought the Ioniq 5, but unfortunately don't have all the numbers handy anymore. But the main factors are the MSRP cost and the fuel costs
Ford Fiesta 1.0 100 hp Titanium Fun (2016):
Hyundai Ioniq 5 Long Range Ultimate (2023):
So even though the cost was 2.5 times higher, it was about the same to own and drive. I have no idea how that math works out with gas and electricity prices in the US.
Polestar
No they need to also be pushed off a cliff.
I would love for this to happen, but it just seems to be another reason why Trump wants tariffs on foreign EVs--both Elon and the oil/car execs don't want clean, affordable vehicles! They only want us buying gas-guzzling tanks or deregulated, overpriced Teslas.
I mean, I hate the guy but Tesla prices have dropped significantly over time and Tesla does a ton of battery R&D, which is good. And Tesla has done more for the EV charging infrastructure in the US than anyone else has. Even so, going forward I will never buy a Tesla, I'm hoping my next car will be an Aptera. More and more non-Tesla EVs are coming with the NACS port and can use the Tesla chargers, which is great. Non-Tesla chargers are few and far between. And generally pretty slow. But fuck Elon regardless.
Tesla introduced the fad of using an app for charging which other idiots promptly copied making the charging infrastructure a fucking nightmare.
Tesla introduced big screen few buttons which other car manufacturers copied, making a few model years of cars more dangerous than they have to be, thankfully manufacturers are rolling that shitty as trend back.
Tesla continues to make cars with shit reliability, and dangerous UX with no buttons or turning shit to touch buttons that should be that, e.g. the turning indicators.
In short fuck Tesla and Musk.
Tesla introduced the fad of using an app for charging
I understand why someone could be bothered by that. I've only ever used the Tesla and Chargepoint apps. I appreciate not having to take extra steps to pay and it all happens automatically, though I did have to set up separate accounts for each. I don't have any complaints about charging so far.
Tesla introduced big screen few buttons
Yeah I don't like that either. Fortunately there's been some push back on that lately. Plenty of physical buttons in the Kia & Hyundai EVs as far as I know. I hope that continues.
Tesla continues to make cars with shit reliability
Aside from the cybertruck I don't believe that's true. I know 3 people who've had Teslas (model 3 or S) for 5 or more years and they all say that it's the most reliable and lowest maintenance car that they've had. Again I agree with you on changing the physical buttons onto a touch screen buttons.
Tesla has done and is (generally) doing some great stuff. I think many of the poor decisions they've made as a company were driven by Elon. If he could just fuck off to Mars or drop dead or something and free up Tesla from the burden of his ketamine-fueled decisions that would be awesome.
Tesla only dropped their price when the federal rebate was limited to lower price EVs (so no more rebates for luxury vehicles, which makes perfect sense).
He wants to go back to selling less quantity if higher priced (and much higher profit) cars. Just like the rest of the goddamn cars industry outside of China apparently.
It's like they didn't learn a goddamn thing from the 70s and the better, cheaper, more fuel efficient cars imported from Japan.
What's with the title?! Here's my alternative: China's EV boom makes a dent in fossil fuel consumption.
It's Bloomberg. A rag for capitalists, by capitalists. Less fossil fuel use is bad for them because it hurts their portfolio.
westoid media isn't allowed to admit China does anything good, so they have to frame everything negatively. Alternative possible headline would also be, "China's EV boom makes a dent in fossil fuel consumption, but at what cost?"
Do you know what the word “threatens” means?
You obviously don’t know how fast China’s been manufacturing cheap EV’s and solar panels. There’s a reason oil lobby owned politicians are trying to ban them from being imported.
I may have heard.
The biggest threat China presents to fossil fuel consumption is future economic growth. Putting 1.4B people into ICE personal vehicles would be a nightmare.
Their battery tech is going to spare the globe generations of future consumption. They're doing what Americans should have done 20 years ago, taking ICE engines off the market before they're built.
Primary reason I don't understand the call for "drill baby drill". We'll end up with oil and needing to sell it for much cheaper than anticipated because the demand is low.
Ya I always hate when people say, "We'll always need oil!". I mean, maybe ya, but for every time we convert a car, or power plant, to electricity, or stop producing some plastic product, that reduces the overall demand. It's a good thing!
We will for a long time, but the less we need the better. At some points we will replace plastics etc. But we don't have enough alternatives that make economic sense yet.
As long as you have a cartel OPEC controlling the price you won't end up like that.
Big manufacturing stands to benefit from this too.
Lubrication and grease is a big fucking industry. Everyone needs it, from automobiles to machines binding beds together to bridges and, hell, everything, EV's even. The cheaper oil is, the cheaper that gets, and I know I'd love to walk away from a $35 oil change.
Sometimes China does good things.
Often times. Most of the bad things you’ve heard were probably made up anti-China propaganda.
Uyghur Genocide
Violating the sovereignty of Taiwan
Unprovoked attacks on boats in nearby international waters
Lying about being communist.
Which of these are made up?
It’s a while ago but you missed one of their earlier genocides, that is still ongoing, in Tibet.
Now also sabotaging European infrastructure. And previously, ehm - COVID (though no one knows how much blame they deserve for that).
I'm frankly willing to give China a pass when it comes to COVID, unless one of the crazy conspiracy theories turn out to be true. I don't really think it's good to hold China to fault on a disease that happened to emerge from within their boarders, regardless of the circumstances that made it more likely to happen there in specific.
The sabotaging European infra is actually 3 Russians in a Chinese coat
Uyghur Genocide
Point to the community in Xinjiang that looks like Gaza City
Violating the sovereignty of Taiwan
Imagine China encircling Puerto Rico with its navy, then complaining about the US violating its sovereignty.
Taiwan has been contested territory for centuries. The US attempting to colonize it doesn't reflect poorly on China.
Lying about being communist.
Americans can't decide if China is bad because Communist or bad because Not Communist Enough.
I'm not defending American imperialism.
We'll be able to say the exact same things with Trump in charge soon too unfortunately as well
no it doesn't
It's a nice graph, but it's only a projection and I've seen those go to shit before.
Russian tears
Ah yes, the graph shows the demand of gas increasing from 2022 to 2024 despite EV's becoming exceptionally cheap there in the last couple years, therefore the demand for gas will completely crash in the next couple of years, great projection.
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