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[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 76 points 7 months ago
[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 51 points 7 months ago
[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You guys should read the Stormlight archives. Fuckin everything is a crab, even the plants.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Renaldo thinks that one crab is sexy at least

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago
[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago
[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure they're not at the fucking stage yet, but one can hope

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I couldn't finish the first book. :(( Ironically, I liked how he finished Wheel of Time. I DK. It's not terribly written; it just didn't stick. Robert Jordan was a far worse writer lol.

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Way of Kings is honestly a more like a prequel for the series. It’s pretty much ONLY setting up the characters and world building. So if you don’t get into that you might not finish.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago

Cytoverse too

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Why don't I remember this?

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Axehounds, Parshendi, chulls, chasmfiends, songlings, rockbuds, etc.

Oh and the generic “cremling”

[-] SurfinBird@lemmy.ca 29 points 7 months ago

If this post is awakening some weird feelings in you, there’s an episode of Futurama you might want to watch.

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 35 points 7 months ago

Oh yeah, that crab could definitely get it

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago

Life can have infinite forms and can exist and evolve in the most inhospit environments. But an advanced tecnologig species only can exist in certain environments and with reduced posibility in their appearence. Aquatic beeings can be intelligent, but never can create advanced tecnologies. The basic condicion of advanced tecnology is the domination of fire and electricity, not possible in the water, it need Oxign in the atmosphere.

They must have limbs skilled enough to handle and construct this technology, a complex communication system, and a binocular vision system (for this reason the most used in all species) to perceive their environment. The humanoid shape is one that best fits these maxims and therefore it is quite possible that an advanced species would also have a more or less similar shape.

It is known as convergent evolution, when unrelated species have a very similar physique to each other by living with the same challenges in similar environments. Evolution always use similar solutions for similar tasks. A good example is the genet, which looks and behaves very similar to cats, even with retractil claws), but they are a completely different species (Viverridae)

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Tech needs electricity and fire is not universal. That is what we use.

Our brain is lot more complicated and efficient than the computers we make and it uses ions, in liquid media. So something that lives in water could definitely be able to make something that would be able to use similar things to do processing. Water is also really good with doing things, it's flexible but doesn't compress/expand like air does. Think about hydraulic systems. You can make them smaller and smaller as your tech progresses. Mechanical things using metals and such would work in water as well. Think about gold and such that can be used for electricity as well, we don't use it because it's valuable, but an alien world could have abundance of gold for them to use.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Fire as base is needed. To make hydraulic or other tech, you need metal, and to work with metal, you need fire to melt and form it. An aquatic species can evolve to an advanced intelligence, but it can't evolved to an advanced tecnology. Dolphinse have a great intelligence, not far from the humans, but they never can be a tecnologic advanced species, they don't have even hands to manipulate tools. They use tools in a basic way, they even use old fishernets they found on the ground to hunt fishes (observed in the Mediterraneo). But manufactoring it is other thing.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Again, that's because you are human, and you think your way is the only way.

To make hydraulics you need metal

How does your arm work? How does octopus move? You think you can't make an structure like human arm, or octopus tentacles without metal, and then have a tube going through it in a way the water in it can move them. Look up soft robots. There isn't just one way to tap into mechanical energy and move things. We did what we found first, improved on it. But thinking that's the only way just shows narrow mindedness.

You need to heat metal

You don't. You know aluminum used to be so expensive because you couldn't really extract it from the ores like iron. Wasn't found in pure form like gold. Then someone found you can use electrolysis to get aluminum from its ore. Then it became so cheap.

You don't just heat metal and put it in mold for every type of metal work. In micro scale there are 3d printing methods similar to electroplating, it's very precise.

And even if there is a need of heat, how can you say ocean doesn't have it. A species could find out a way to tap into volcanic vents. Similarly how we use groundwater and rivers. They could use volcanos and geothermal energy. We do many many manufacturing processes under water in a tank containing water. They could make air tank and do things there too.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

if you looked up temperatures needed for aluminum electrolysis,

and then you have to deliver electricity to it, keep it isolated electrically, thermally, chemically (kept sealed), and how do you even make plastics without steel reactors

electrowinning is a process but it won't work for aluminium. also you all completely ignore glass as a material and ceramics generally

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Yes, you can all do this, having the machines to do so, and these are made mostly of metal, advanced tech also need electricity with high voltages, not so healthy in the water. Electric eals, maybe conected to a computer? Yes, in vulcanes you have fire, but not controllable, metallurgy requires exact temperatures depending on the metal and the use. No, not so easy possible a high tech society in a waterworld.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Land octopi would be pretty cool though.

[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

They must have limbs skilled enough to handle and construct this technology, a complex communication system, and a binocular vision system (for this reason the most used in all species) to perceive their environment. The humanoid shape is one that best fits these maxims and therefore it is quite possible that an advanced species would also have a more or less similar shape.

Elephants meet all of these criteria as well. A complex limb (their trunk), a complex communication, and binocular vision (although I don't see why this is necessary).

[-] superb 16 points 7 months ago

Project Hail Mary got this really right. The aliens are big rock crabs

[-] windlas@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

It was such a good book. I can't wait for the movie release! Apparently its due to he released in 2026.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Someone needs to rule 34 crabs. And then delete their Internet history as thoroughly as possible.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago

(V) OwO (V) What's this? snip snip

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 14 points 7 months ago

But what if the human form is a prerequisite for evolving into the space age? We wouldn't need so many tools if we were strong as a crab to begin with

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago
[-] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

Taste like crab, talk like people.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Crab people. Crab people.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago

You know who's not a coward? Captain James T Kirk.

[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, he was well known for spreading STDs throughout the universe - including crabs.

[-] Matombo@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago

Funny to think about it: Crabs are a huge local maximum of peak evolution

[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 9 points 7 months ago

The squid bois from Arrival are cool

[-] Sporkbomber@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

Neal Asher's Praedor Moon is a fun read if you want to see what advanced humans would do against space faring crabs.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

Rumors say that the upcoming new Children of time book will also involve crabs

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

What is this "crabbification" evolution trend you speak of?

Intelligence favours dexterity of making/holding weapons and tools. Claws are not as good. Armour is always a nice to have, but the offense from weapons use from "hands" is better. I do like the idea of 360 rotating "eye arms" to catch backstabbers. Maybe more arms and legs.

[-] infinite_ass@leminal.space 3 points 7 months ago

A meme consisting of text is not a meme.

You need a picture too.

No, a picture of text doesn't count.

[-] MySkinIsFallingOff@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

If noting else, at least your username is correct.

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