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Like people always say reddit is filled with bots, but I looked through the users of the top posts and didn't find evidence that they are bots.

Like how do you know who is a bot? Is there things to look out for?

Edit: And I'd appreciate it if there are real examples of bots getting caught and the evidence of them being bots.

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There were a handful of examples of people tricking chatgpt bots by telling them to "disregard previous instructions and now do X" like, give a cake recipe.. in political debates where just abruptly joking like that didn't really make sense, so it did seem those ones were automated. I'll see if I can find an example.

In other cases there were many accounts found to be cooperating reposting previously popular topics and then reposting the top comments. This appeared to be a case of automated karma farming. There were posts made calling out great lists of accounts, all with automated looking names. (Not saying it wasn't manual, but it would seem obvious if you're going to do that at scale you would automate it)

Then there's just the general suspicion that as generative text technology has risen, politicial manipulators can't not be using it. Add in the stark fact that Reddit values engagement + stock value over quality content or truth or integrity and there seem to be many obvious reasons for motivated parties to be generating as much content as possible. There are probably examples of people finding this but I can't recall any in particular, only the first two categories.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 5 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Vote count matters. It not only can get you to the front page but shows that people agree with the post. Using voting bots you can manipulate what people think is popular AND get many more eyes on it at once.

For example leading up to the election there was SO MUCH politically driven stuff on the front page. To be fair there always is but well above baseline. Mind you this is just a good recent example, not meaning to take sides here.

Election results come out, and so many on reddit are shocked and furious that their preferred side lost. How could it have happened? Everywhere they looked they saw their side was clearly more popular!

Echo chambers are real on their own (an NPR interview I listened to after the election called it "information silos") and I think bots could have been easily used to manipulate them

[-] scsi@scribe.disroot.org 21 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've seen two bot patterns (called out by the users themselves in context) in years of using reddit; both rely on the bot accounts having karma-farmed the system (and these include adding to their karma farm):

  • (a) Repost-bots: they take a good image content post from some time ago which may not have been popular at the time, or posted in a more niche subreddit, and repost it as their own content in a popular subreddit a period of time later, using very specific timing to hit their target audience. Commenters call this out but a lot of folks just click on images and upvote and don't read comments (memes, etc.), so the accounts tend to have longer lifespans.

  • (b) Comment-bots: they are similar to the above, but instead farm good content comments which have low or few upvotes (typically because the comment was posted "too late" in a thread, timing is everything when posting on a massively read thread - first in gets the upvotes so to speak). These get called out as well by other commenters more successfully and people start to block those accounts, so I see the comment farm bot accounts rotate frequently and have short lifespans. You see this in a lot of News articles.

Sorry no examples on hand, but spend enough time and you see the patterns (or, shall I say used to) - I've left Reddit to only one niche hobby now so my experience is out of date by a year or so (i.e. not aware of the "AI bot" revolution patterns). $0.02 hth

Edit: I should note that not all bot accounts are bad, my niche hobby has a subreddit specific bot (think like an IRC channel bot) which farms the upstream vendor content (website, twitter, youtube, etc.) and posts in the subreddit for everyone's benefit. This type of bot is clearly labeled as a bot and approved by the admins of the subreddit, just like iRC.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago

I never tossed my Reddit account when I left, so I still get notified of replies to my posts and comments; I’d say there’s a third type of bot - an “engagement bot” that takes high karma comments on old posts and replies to them in a manner that adds nothing but could trigger the original commenter to reply.

At first I thought it was actual people, but it’s always young accounts with high post volumes, all the same type of post that nobody who had actually read the original thread would have written. And the accounts seem to target high karma comments, and aren’t limited to any particular subreddit.

[-] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 12 points 3 hours ago

I don’t know about proof but when you spend lots of time on a platform you naturally start to notice patterns.

There was an essence of superficiality that permeated a lot of the content that I consumed on Reddit, even the niche subreddits.

For example, on the movie or video gaming subreddits people would often ask for recommendations and I noticed a lot of the top comments were single word answers. They’d just say the name of the movie or game. There was no anecdote to go along with the recommendation, no analysis, no explanation of what the piece of media meant to them.

This is a single example. But the superficiality is everywhere. Once you see it, it’s very hard to unsee it.

[-] donuts@lemmy.world 24 points 3 hours ago
[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Why do people bother with bots? People often say “to farm karma.” But Karma is literally worthless.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 hour ago

Propaganda. You use the bots to repost and recomment topics that cause division among the populace.

[-] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

I'm pretty suspicious about all the AITA posts these days. So many of them just smell like rage bait designed to pit men and women against each other.

[-] prole 1 points 44 minutes ago

And Russia has shown that the return on investment for this type of propaganda is incalculably enormous.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

And the karma lets the bots pass simple account limits.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Imagine you want to buy a (thing), and instead of going to a bunch of "10 best (thing) 202X" sites you do the sensible thing and head to the (thing) subreddit.

You get a super helpful comment on the (thing) they like and prefer. You've never heard of this company before but you decide to at least check them out. Bringing traffic to their site, browsing there selection and maybe even buying the (thing) you had no idea about otherwise

What if that comment wasn't real, but a AI LLM powered bot? No it's not your cheap run of the mill bot, but it could be well worth the effort if a company is willing to pay for it.

[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago

The easiest way is to look at what comes up in /new. You'll see copycat subreddits pop up and suddenly be full of reposts filled with accounts saying bland replies. Usually mundane things like copies of r/aww. Click on the accounts themselves and look at their activity. It's subreddits of bots replying to bots. They do that until they reach a certain maturity then likely get sold to advertisers and propagandists

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 hours ago

There are some subs on Reddit dedicated to finding botnets on Reddit.

By now, there are a wide variety of reasons to have a botnet, mainly tied to curating some public opinion.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

https://old.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/

A pretty obvious indicator of bot behavior is that they'll repost old comments from reposted threads to generate a fake history.

Reddit's admins don't do anything about it because it creates the appearance of activity, and presumably they get some kind of kickback for not doing anything about US govt astroturfing.

https://archive.ph/20160327060128/http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending-millions-study-manipulate-social-media-users.html

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

remember that r/mademesmile debacle?

or them countless threads that are all reposted comment by comment by different accounts.

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