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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

If the internet has a future, it's on the Fediverse. We work around capitalism to avoid enshittification, or we let it defer our future further.

In the meantime, the Fediverse needs to get shiny and intuitive. The sign that something is cumbersome and hard to use is people saying "it's not that bad".

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

People may disagree with how BlueSky is organized and architected, but I get why they decided to do what they did. User experience.

Their architectural decisions mean that people don’t have to worry about instances confusing people, and the org structure means is easy to staff a proper dedicated experience team that can be working, planning, and testing before big expensive decisions are committed to code.

[-] Sl00k@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago

Bluesky is apart of the Fediverse and the quicker ActivityPub sites accommodate that fact the quicker we'll have an open internet.

This pissing fight between ActivityPub sites and Bluesky is dumb and doesn't further an open internet.

Not directed at you but to a lot, go put time into making Mastodon compatible with atProto instead of bitching.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 5 points 2 days ago

Didn't BlueSky come up with their own federation system because.... Fuck you?

I mean, what was wrong with using the ActivityPub standard?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I can't find the source but if I recall bluesky relies on running feeds through central servers and it has patents on its methods so I would say bsky federation has some asterisks. They have done a great job insulating users from the structural elements which reduces confusion.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

bluesky has made better choices - the starter packs and user lists are great for new users. They managed to add quote tweets but let the quoted person opt out of dog piles. It looks like they added options for custom algorithms too.

Bluesky will be enshittified but mastodon should be taking notes if they want to pick up people next wave.

The bluesky system is just way better. The local/fed feeds on masto are just wasted.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

The block lists for various types of assholes are also a marvellous invention. It's so nice to block all of MAGA at a click

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[-] andrewthe95th@lemmy.world 290 points 4 days ago

I feel like you guys are addicted to letting perfect be the enemy of good. Yes, Bluesky being corporate run will probably be an issue down the line, but if it becomes mainstream then people will be used to seeing .APP.INSTANCE and feel more comfortable with the fediverse interface, which I know at least for me was a big hurdle. Like seriously, the fact that the next big thing is federated, even if in name only, is a big step forward.

[-] xavier_berthiaume@jlai.lu 90 points 4 days ago

Yeah I'm a huge believer in federated systems but I believe that a lot of 'normies' going to bluesky is a huge step in the right direction. Even though most don't know anything about the tech behind it and migrate because twitter has become a bot infested right wing hell scape, they still are one step closer to being fully integrated to the fediverse.

[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Bluesky's ActivityPub support is also leagues better than Threads because of Bridgy Fed. At least a Bluesky user and a Mastodon user can follow each other and have a back-and-forth conversation.

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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago

People who genuinely think like this (as in, that users going to Bluesky is somehow bad, surprising or something only stupid people do) are the very reason systems such as Mastodon cannot work. And sadly they naturally pervade such systems, at a development, administration and user level.

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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mastodon may or may not be good (I don't use it), but the fact that it segments off users into different groups means it will never be a twitter replacement. The fact that twitter is essentially "public" and all sorts of people from different areas interact was basically the whole point of it.

Bluesky seems pretty nice so far and it has real momentum. Mastodon seems more along the lines of what Google+ turned into.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Mastodon doesn’t silo its users, that’s what federation is for. Everything you post on the public timeline is essentially public for everyone that’s on a federated instance that hasn’t gotten blocked.

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[-] B312@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago

It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago

I mean, the reason Musk is an issue is because Twitter is a privately owned, for-profit company. The issue is top-down leadership. Bluesky is absolutely doomed to the same fate.

Bluesky is a for-profit corporation backed by Venture Capital and run by Crypto assholes.

Jack Dorsey launched the initiative in 2019 as a proof-of-concept for a federated Twitter, which never happened. After dumping Twitter, he re-launched it as a standalone social media service and flagship ATProto instance, before jumping ship and letting it be run by committee. He now endorses Nostr, because BlueSky wasn't friendly enough to Nazis.

The current BlueSky CEO, Lantian Graber, started her career running shitcoin/scamcoin exchange (SkuCoin), manufacturing ASIC mining rigs, and developing for Zcash. She masquerades as a progressive techie, even as all of her past experience leans Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist, and all of her other ventures' websites are plastered with GenAI slop.

Bluesky is growing faster than ever expected, and with virtually zero real federation going on. It's going to fail catastrophically when the new user base realizes they signed up for the same shit they were trying to get away from.

It isn't that hard to realize that a FOSS product developed by a nonprofit (eg. Mastodon) is the correct answer, not more centralized, corporate, for-profit social media...

[-] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Bluesky is Decentralized, people are moving to Bluesky because it is easier to use and has better UI and UX. The reason people are moving to Bluesky and not mastodon has nothing to do with Decentralized, it is because it is simply user friendly. I used both and I think currently that Bluesky is definitely better. One of the biggest issues is the app, many users use their phones and The mastadon apps are awful in comparison to bluesky.

https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-host-a-bluesky-pds

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[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Heres the thing with federation

It will always be more complicated, and lead to smaller segregated communities. This mitigstes the network effect social media services rely on

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The consumer lockin then monetization lockdown cycle always sheds users. I think eventually most federated systems will gain users, albeit slowly.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

This only works if a new centralized network doesnt take its place, Blueskys existence kinda proves thats not always the case

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The proof is that mastodon user base is steadily going up. There hasn't been a giant spike in a while but the barrier to monetization is too high for it to shed users from that. Its more like how wikipedia has outlived google as a resource despite wikipedia not being particularly better now than soon after it started.

[-] Cyborg@lemmy.world 111 points 3 days ago

Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won't see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you're at...

And besides all that, bsky is not as "corpo" as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They're on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.

[-] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

As much as I like the 'decentralized' stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don't understand why a lot of federated projects think it's a good idea to expose that to the end user.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago

Whenever Lemmy or Masto gets a flood of new users, a portion of them never make it past the instance selection and totally bail.

The user experience was designed by people who literally respond to user feedback by telling users to commit new code to the project.

It’s clearly designed by engineers who assume other users will be just like them.

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[-] OleDoxieDad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago
[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 107 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Write a bit about yourself to join this server and if we decide you're too boring and normal we'll reject your application and say you're a spammer afterwards"

Hmm I wonder why normies aren't flocking to these fediverse platforms, what could be stopping them, couldn't be the shitty onboarding process could it? Nah asking people to apply is the best onboarding process ever (obvious big ass /s)

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

I tried to join Beehaw simply because a reddit community I was actively part in went there.

I got told that's not a valid reason to join, and that further applications from me would be ignored. I mean... okay? Sure... guess I'm no longer part of that community.

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 15 points 3 days ago

Beehaw sucks, they embraced the exclusive club mentality harder than anyone else.

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[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I thought that was the FreedomBox logo at first. I was confused why Billy's dad would be mad at the kid making a freedombox to run federated systems.

https://www.freedombox.org/

It is very similar

[-] vordalack@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago

Mastodon is social media where no one comments or likes anything.

It’s like a modern art masterpiece.

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[-] TheBlue22 17 points 3 days ago

If the userbase of mastodon is even remotely similar to that of lemmy, I sure as fuck am glad I joined Bluesky instead

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

You're always welcome to go back to Reddit if you don't like it here.

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[-] Epicurus0319@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Friendship ended with Mastodon

My new best friend is Bluesky

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[-] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago

why the fuck does no one change the trashass looking shadowed white impact font default text treatment on the meme generator

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