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[-] B312@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep

[-] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bluesky is Decentralized, people are moving to Bluesky because it is easier to use and has better UI and UX. The reason people are moving to Bluesky and not mastodon has nothing to do with Decentralized, it is because it is simply user friendly. I used both and I think currently that Bluesky is definitely better. One of the biggest issues is the app, many users use their phones and The mastadon apps are awful in comparison to bluesky.

https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-host-a-bluesky-pds

[-] B312@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

That’s exactly the thing, mastodon has all of these nerd things attached to it that most people won’t care about, whilst BlueSky doesn’t

[-] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Bluesky has both federation and ease of use, which is why many prefer it over Mastodon. Instead of making someone search for a server to join, Bluesky gives you a default server which makes it easier for less tech savvy users.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

bluesky does not have functional federation by any reasonable measure.

[-] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is currently early access, but should be opened to everyone later. There is also a bridge that links Bluesky and Mastadon. https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A bridge is a tool for connecting things don't connect, it is not federation.

The relay layer/app view forces you under the control of a centralized system at a fundamental level with bluesky, the only thing meaningful about that kind of federation is hosting costs for processing and storing post data are offloaded onto the user.

...Which when you think about it is actually pretty fucking insulting to the fediverse and what is trying to be when bluesky pretends it is aiming for true federation and decentralization.

[-] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

It is possible to run your own relay, but is very expensive. Unless people decide to run their own relays, Bluesky is technically centralised. You can run your own PDS for cheap through.

https://fediversereport.com/bluesky-decentralisation-and-the-distribution-of-power/#88b720c3-cfc1-4ca4-a788-92979e429284

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 month ago

This, right there. What FOSS fans fail to understand is that some apps feel like a jigsaw to use for people less experienced in technology. Some people barely have an idea about how browser cookies work, and they are expected to understand the concept of manually picking up a server to create an account on, and you would still not be connected to everyone.

[-] witten@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

People are also expected to understand the concept of manually picking a brand of toothpaste. My point is that if we can't even expect a little consumer choice (the same consumer choice we have in the real world), then we deserve all the monopolization and centralization we get.

Also, selecting a Mastodon server isn't like some scary technical choice. It's like a vibe check and a signup form.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Bluesky is not decentralized if you have to use their relay to access the network from your PDS

[-] Awkwardparticle@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Also the protocol seems to be proprietary, which completely defeats the purpose of being decentralized.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If the reason people only want bluesky is because it’s Elon-less Twitter then they are stupid and wrong (or just ignorant). But then they can move to the next thing in 5 years when the enshittification happens.

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