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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 129 points 3 months ago

God, I love how seriously Americans take their civic duty, you can tell by the effort they put into researching the candidates they intend to put in the most powerful positions in the country.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

I don't get it either. I always try to read up on things. Sometimes there's not enough info on candidates in a local race for me to know who to vote for and so I abstain. Other than that, I always vote for the candidate I think is going to do the least harm. They didn't do their due diligence to even figure that out.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

I remember in 2004, as a kid, my mother (very conservative at the time) teaching me to go through OnTheIssues with the presidential race coming up and examining the policies of each candidate, and to consider whether I agreed with each individual stance in making an overall opinion, not just to presume which one was good and bad by political allegiance.

She taught me good citizenship. Many people aren't so lucky - or didn't take the lessons to heart.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Ah you young whippersnapper! When I turned 18 in 1995, the best way to find out about local candidates was a pamphlet you could get at the library for free (and probably elsewhere too) put out by the League of Women Voters. Sadly, there were always lots of pamphlets not taken.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 30 points 3 months ago

People like us are the abysmally small minority.

The average adult American has the reading comprehension level of a 5th grader.

Less than 10% (possibly less than 5%) of adult Americans are capable of objectively reading multiple stories about the same topic in different newspapers and being able to figure out which bits of info are objective, which parts are editorialized, what information is left out... and why different sources include or disclude those elements.

Turns out if you destroy public education, you get idiots, and idiots are very easy to mislead, responding almost entirely to pathos, misjudge ethos, and actually become angry when presented with logos.

We are a largely, functionally illiterate society.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Brexit, Boris and all the shit that is happening in countries all over the world—suggest is not a uniquely American problem.

We’ve always had idiots. The problem is they appear to me voting more than they used to.

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[-] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago

It's the social media algorithms, man. Folks think that what they're being fed is reality, so they never double check the information being given to them.

Full disclosure, I'm just as guilty. For months I had built up this whole narrative about private equity buying up all the houses and causing the current housing crisis. Apparently, private equity only accounts for like 10% of home ownership, and the reality is that we just don't build enough housing. The issue is the same (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised to find out that private equity is still at the heart of it somehow), but I allowed the algorithm to show me inaccurate info, and I bought it—hook, line, and sinker.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

It’s mostly a vibes based democracy

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[-] Duranie@literature.cafe 13 points 3 months ago

From personal experience, when you're working 2 jobs and raising 3 kids and spend every waking moment worried you can't pay your bills or that you suck as a parent because you're not around enough, taking time to research candidates feels impossible. Which is right where some like to keep us.

I'm in a better place now and have the time to do the work to make better decisions, but it still feels like an uphill battle against the multitude of the uninformed.

[-] rustydomino@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

I see what you’re saying but it’s also kind of an excuse. It’s not that hard to find out, for instance in this case, where candidates stand on LGBTQ issues or on education.

[-] Duranie@literature.cafe 9 points 3 months ago

The place I was in at the time, it was a struggle to convince myself that I should shower more than once a week and not cry over how I was going to find the money to buy my kids socks. When life is that stressful and depressing, it's hard to see and to take on more issues than what you're already trying to overcome on a day to day basis.

Again, I used to think that people in power couldn't be that evil, but now moving past that place I can see how keeping people down, under pressure, and uneducated really does benefit certain groups.

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[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago

Which makes it even more concerning that people who apparently didn't even have time to fall in a conspiratorial rabbit hole don't manage to distinguish between a not so great candidate and a raging lunatic.

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[-] SARGE@startrek.website 73 points 3 months ago

If it weren't so sad, it would be almost funny.

So many people are waking up to the fact that... Most people are functionally illiterate children with no understanding of the world they live in.

The easiest way I have to explain it:

You use your phone every day. You know how to use it, menus in and out, all the different programs and their uses. But if I were to pop open the cover and take one single piece out, you would never know, and you would never be able to use it again. Without someone else, you have absolutely no clue how to go about fixing it. You can push it's buttons all day, but when it comes down to how it functions at the basic levels, you are clueless.

So am I, by the way. I don't have any reason to know how to build or program a phone. Or computer. I can push their buttons all day though! Even hidden buttons. But if everyone else on the planet disappeared tonight, I would effectively be living in the 1500s, as that's about where my technical understanding of things ends. (scavenging for replacement electronics notwithstanding, once something electronic breaks, it's gone since I can't exactly run a semiconductor factory by myself, or the mines to get the materials)

My point is, most people only know how to "push the buttons" of the world. They have very surface-level understandingsof it. But when it comes down to it, they don't understand how the internals actually function.

Sorry if this rambled a bit, I hit the bowl as soon as I got home from work.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 19 points 3 months ago

That's absolutely true, but I can't get how people didn't watch or listen to the Toupee for even a couple seconds and not instantly realize he's full of more shit than an outhouse.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Because they're stupid too and he speaks at a third grade level way they understand.

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[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

This is a funny take I haven’t heard. Maybe it’s a bit true.

People I talk to seem to have little understanding of Trump policies. Like it’s mostly projection.

One person I spoke to with a Trump pin said these two statements: “I don’t like where the country is heading everything is expensive. The government spends too much money”… “yeah we got to support Ukraine, Russia would not have invaded if Trump was president. Russia needs to loose and go home so we can end the war”

… like okay? And Trump will help any of this how, as a lap dog to Putin who blew up the budget and raised taxes on those making less than $500k?

These people vote for people who tell them what they want to hear and project the rest… you know morons.

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[-] Tayb@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

As a single person you'd be pretty good for the rest of your (still probably short) life. But honestly, I think ascribing button pushing to some of these people is a stretch. They know the particular buttons to open their social media, or maybe even access their banking, but any mention of settings and you get a blank look. I see that with every generation now, working in IT. It used to just be the boomers, but tech knowledge seems to have degraded over the years.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And MY fucking loved ones. And lots of other people's fucking loved ones.

My anger grows each and every day. I don't know how I'm going to make it through what's coming either from a mental health perspective or from a keeping my family safe perspective.

YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Oh believe me, I agree. But they weren't even motivated by their own best self-interests. It's voting for the leopard face eating party on a scale I didn't think was even possible.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago
[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

Queer people voting for conservative politicians will never cease to amaze me. I discovered a queer acquaintance who I had friended on Instagram was following Trump, Pierre Polievre, and that insane Randy Hillier, which shocked me. Why would you do that? They hate queer people.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Bootlickers transcend identity politics. They're just looking for a boot.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

And they make no secret of it!

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[-] Cargon@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 months ago

You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.

[-] Zorsith 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

At lunch yesterday, I overheard two women talking about how they should totally be hired for the new department of government efficiency, and how they have a lot of great ideas to offer from their years of experience in federal jobs.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

"You should cut my job."

Granted.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 29 points 3 months ago

I was expressing election stress to someone over Discord and they told me they didn't want to talk about the election (which is fine in itself) because "Joe and Trump are both bad." 💀 I'm like... Do you not even know how the candidates are? I didn't want to push the topic because they didn't want to talk about it, but I'm sure the answer would've annoyed me.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

No. They really don't. I was getting some coffee at a drive-up place where they always leave the window open after they take your money, so you can hear them talking. This was maybe a month before the election. One of the workers thought Trump was still the president. They had to tell her who Joe Biden is.

[-] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

How are people that disconnected, how do you not hear who the president is even just by accident?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I honestly do not know. I was floored.

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[-] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Has anyone been verifying that these kinds of posts lately are real? Certainly some trump voters are already having buyer's remorse, but these posts can just as easily be made up by people who want to play off our emotions and manufacturing further outrage and division. Just saying.

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago
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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago

personally, this cycle the best thing i have under my belt is karma.

I hope republicans/conservatives have to learn their lesson the hard way around.

[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Narrator: unfortunately, they won't as they are unable to correlate their struggles and hardships with their choices. This is another evidence of the planned degradation of education in the USA that creates a large number of uneducated voters who can be manipulated for votes

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 months ago

stupid and ignorant people are going to be the death of our species. And if that happens, we fucking deserve it.

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[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's so easy to shit on voters for not being informed.

Dems had $1B to reach this lady with a message about how they were going to improve her material conditions and they couldn't or wouldn't. At least they got that sweet sweet Cheney fan vote.

When people have to work constantly or their kids will starve and it just keeps getting worse wtf is anyone supposed to do?

"You didn't do your homework, so you deserve to have your life destroyed lol"

The system is fucked. Well and truly.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

When people have to work constantly or their kids will starve and it just keeps getting worse wtf is anyone supposed to do?

I agree with you when it comes to a lot of things in terms of civic engagement, but in this case, there are lots of websites out there with information that won't even take you more than 20 minutes to read in terms learning of who the candidates are and what they stand for.

You can literally do that on a break (or more than one break since you'll get them every day) at work. And if you're not getting breaks at work, your boss is violating the labor laws which should be posted where all employees can see them. Not that they ever read them. Employees are entitled by federal law to a 5-20 minute paid break. I realize 5-20 minutes is shit, but most full time jobs at least give you longer unpaid breaks than that, if for no other reason than they don't want their employees passing out from hunger.

[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 10 points 3 months ago

You're not wrong about having the physical and temporal capacity to inform yourself regardless, but you've also got to have the mental and emotional capacity as well.

I'm sure you're aware of how exhausting it is to live here, even just having nominal exposure to all the campaign ads and the outrage bait "news." That's before all the regular stress of living here with a family, all of your material conditions. Is my car gonna break down? If it does will I get fired? How can I afford my kids soccer cleats? Will the babysitter cancel on me for my extra shift?

If the only exposure you got for the election that you paid attention to because it was "entertainment" was a "funny" Joe Rogan clip your buddy sent you of the Trump interview it'd be real easy to be like "well, we made it through the first one, and at least he acknowledges that things are more expensive..."

Obviously if you're tuned in, you know that's a bullshit front. But if you don't have the capacity to be tuned in because fucking everything is designed to stress you out and extract what little money you have... Well, here we are.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I guess you're right. It's just so damn important to them and their families... I have been there, super exhausted from all that, but I knew the risk of not being informed about who I'm voting for. I guess it was enough for me to make sure I knew, but not for others.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Democracy isn't government on cruise control. Democracy is a responsibility. Blaming politicians isn't going to change the fact that it is not institutions that uphold democracy. It's the people.

So yeah, ultimately the people failed themselves. Some people just need to learn the hard way. If that is the only way these people will learn, why try to stop them from getting their lessons?

Americans are basically spoiled children. Never experienced government hardship. Why expect them to understand the value of what they have that prevents the hardship?

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Maybe if they just googled? Takes about 15 sec. They'd see something like this: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/ It's hard to imagine it could have been any easier for people who weren't aware of Harris' policies.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago

How does she figure the president isn't allowed to do something? Especially in today's political climate?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Especially when he literally said he's going to be a dictator.

And it's funny, because at the same time they already think the president can do whatever he wants since they think he can control gas and grocery prices.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Say it with me now: ignorance is not an excuse.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Read DOE as department of energy and was confused.

[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 8 points 3 months ago

You could post this in the leopards ate my face community. Wonderful fit for that.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

The ironic thing about these screenshots is that it's Xitter.

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