Queer people voting for conservative politicians will never cease to amaze me. I discovered a queer acquaintance who I had friended on Instagram was following Trump, Pierre Polievre, and that insane Randy Hillier, which shocked me. Why would you do that? They hate queer people.
Bootlickers transcend identity politics. They're just looking for a boot.
And they make no secret of it!
Because they're not single issue voters, would be the rational explanation. But probably they also haven't bothered to reasonably research who has what agenda. If you're into politics, it can come as a surprise, but many people really don't want to know anything about it, and they work hard to learn as little as possible.
I'm not blaming them for developing a strong dislike to politics, considering how dirty almost everyone is, but I hope that people can realize that ignoring a thing you don't like doesn't make it go away.
There is a big difference between voting/supporting them and following them on social media. I encourage everyone, Left as well as Right, to follow people, pages and communities of the other side. You should know the story the other side tells itself. Even if you don't agree with it - it's better to not agree with the real thing than to fight straw men in echo chambers.
God, I love how seriously Americans take their civic duty, you can tell by the effort they put into researching the candidates they intend to put in the most powerful positions in the country.
I don't get it either. I always try to read up on things. Sometimes there's not enough info on candidates in a local race for me to know who to vote for and so I abstain. Other than that, I always vote for the candidate I think is going to do the least harm. They didn't do their due diligence to even figure that out.
I remember in 2004, as a kid, my mother (very conservative at the time) teaching me to go through OnTheIssues with the presidential race coming up and examining the policies of each candidate, and to consider whether I agreed with each individual stance in making an overall opinion, not just to presume which one was good and bad by political allegiance.
She taught me good citizenship. Many people aren't so lucky - or didn't take the lessons to heart.
People like us are the abysmally small minority.
The average adult American has the reading comprehension level of a 5th grader.
Less than 10% (possibly less than 5%) of adult Americans are capable of objectively reading multiple stories about the same topic in different newspapers and being able to figure out which bits of info are objective, which parts are editorialized, what information is left out... and why different sources include or disclude those elements.
Turns out if you destroy public education, you get idiots, and idiots are very easy to mislead, responding almost entirely to pathos, misjudge ethos, and actually become angry when presented with logos.
We are a largely, functionally illiterate society.
Brexit, Boris and all the shit that is happening in countries all over the world—suggest is not a uniquely American problem.
We’ve always had idiots. The problem is they appear to me voting more than they used to.
Don't forget that a lot of people are working extremely mentally or physically exhausting jobs, often raising families or caring for children or just scrambling to SURVIVE. After working 12+ hours, the last thing I'd want to do is actually go through ANY news article.
Ah you young whippersnapper! When I turned 18 in 1995, the best way to find out about local candidates was a pamphlet you could get at the library for free (and probably elsewhere too) put out by the League of Women Voters. Sadly, there were always lots of pamphlets not taken.
From personal experience, when you're working 2 jobs and raising 3 kids and spend every waking moment worried you can't pay your bills or that you suck as a parent because you're not around enough, taking time to research candidates feels impossible. Which is right where some like to keep us.
I'm in a better place now and have the time to do the work to make better decisions, but it still feels like an uphill battle against the multitude of the uninformed.
I see what you’re saying but it’s also kind of an excuse. It’s not that hard to find out, for instance in this case, where candidates stand on LGBTQ issues or on education.
If it weren't so sad, it would be almost funny.
So many people are waking up to the fact that... Most people are functionally illiterate children with no understanding of the world they live in.
The easiest way I have to explain it:
You use your phone every day. You know how to use it, menus in and out, all the different programs and their uses. But if I were to pop open the cover and take one single piece out, you would never know, and you would never be able to use it again. Without someone else, you have absolutely no clue how to go about fixing it. You can push it's buttons all day, but when it comes down to how it functions at the basic levels, you are clueless.
So am I, by the way. I don't have any reason to know how to build or program a phone. Or computer. I can push their buttons all day though! Even hidden buttons. But if everyone else on the planet disappeared tonight, I would effectively be living in the 1500s, as that's about where my technical understanding of things ends. (scavenging for replacement electronics notwithstanding, once something electronic breaks, it's gone since I can't exactly run a semiconductor factory by myself, or the mines to get the materials)
My point is, most people only know how to "push the buttons" of the world. They have very surface-level understandingsof it. But when it comes down to it, they don't understand how the internals actually function.
Sorry if this rambled a bit, I hit the bowl as soon as I got home from work.
This is a funny take I haven’t heard. Maybe it’s a bit true.
People I talk to seem to have little understanding of Trump policies. Like it’s mostly projection.
One person I spoke to with a Trump pin said these two statements: “I don’t like where the country is heading everything is expensive. The government spends too much money”… “yeah we got to support Ukraine, Russia would not have invaded if Trump was president. Russia needs to loose and go home so we can end the war”
… like okay? And Trump will help any of this how, as a lap dog to Putin who blew up the budget and raised taxes on those making less than $500k?
These people vote for people who tell them what they want to hear and project the rest… you know morons.
That's absolutely true, but I can't get how people didn't watch or listen to the Toupee for even a couple seconds and not instantly realize he's full of more shit than an outhouse.
Because they're stupid too and he speaks at a third grade level way they understand.
I was expressing election stress to someone over Discord and they told me they didn't want to talk about the election (which is fine in itself) because "Joe and Trump are both bad." 💀 I'm like... Do you not even know how the candidates are? I didn't want to push the topic because they didn't want to talk about it, but I'm sure the answer would've annoyed me.
No. They really don't. I was getting some coffee at a drive-up place where they always leave the window open after they take your money, so you can hear them talking. This was maybe a month before the election. One of the workers thought Trump was still the president. They had to tell her who Joe Biden is.
How are people that disconnected, how do you not hear who the president is even just by accident?
I honestly do not know. I was floored.
There is evidence that a lot of people thought Joe Biden was the DNC candidate for the election.
And MY fucking loved ones. And lots of other people's fucking loved ones.
My anger grows each and every day. I don't know how I'm going to make it through what's coming either from a mental health perspective or from a keeping my family safe perspective.
YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
KRIEGER!!!
Oh believe me, I agree. But they weren't even motivated by their own best self-interests. It's voting for the leopard face eating party on a scale I didn't think was even possible.
That leopard is so overfed it needed to grow additional toes just to cope!
stupid and ignorant people are going to be the death of our species. And if that happens, we fucking deserve it.
You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.
Has anyone been verifying that these kinds of posts lately are real? Certainly some trump voters are already having buyer's remorse, but these posts can just as easily be made up by people who want to play off our emotions and manufacturing further outrage and division. Just saying.
At least from my personal experience, they're all too believable, and I'm sure plenty of others here have similar stories.
A couple of nights after the election I spoke to my father, and he could tell I was quite upset. He told me how I shouldn't worry because Trump was going to make everything better since "Joe and the Ho" hadn't done anything. Not even one or two sentences later he was telling me about how he needed to get all of this medical work done by the end of the year (he is on Medicare), because his Medicare agent told him they expected a good majority of those benefits to be cut next year by the upcoming administration...
Between the many similar stories from other family members and friends, the increased searches for "Project 2025" and "change vote", I really don't think it's a stretch at all for most to accept these as true, because many people are experiencing it firsthand.
At lunch yesterday, I overheard two women talking about how they should totally be hired for the new department of government efficiency, and how they have a lot of great ideas to offer from their years of experience in federal jobs.
"You should cut my job."
Granted.
How does she figure the president isn't allowed to do something? Especially in today's political climate?
Especially when he literally said he's going to be a dictator.
And it's funny, because at the same time they already think the president can do whatever he wants since they think he can control gas and grocery prices.
personally, this cycle the best thing i have under my belt is karma.
I hope republicans/conservatives have to learn their lesson the hard way around.
Narrator: unfortunately, they won't as they are unable to correlate their struggles and hardships with their choices. This is another evidence of the planned degradation of education in the USA that creates a large number of uneducated voters who can be manipulated for votes
The ironic thing about these screenshots is that it's Xitter.
You could post this in the leopards ate my face community. Wonderful fit for that.
Say it with me now: ignorance is not an excuse.
It's so easy to shit on voters for not being informed.
Dems had $1B to reach this lady with a message about how they were going to improve her material conditions and they couldn't or wouldn't. At least they got that sweet sweet Cheney fan vote.
When people have to work constantly or their kids will starve and it just keeps getting worse wtf is anyone supposed to do?
"You didn't do your homework, so you deserve to have your life destroyed lol"
The system is fucked. Well and truly.
When people have to work constantly or their kids will starve and it just keeps getting worse wtf is anyone supposed to do?
I agree with you when it comes to a lot of things in terms of civic engagement, but in this case, there are lots of websites out there with information that won't even take you more than 20 minutes to read in terms learning of who the candidates are and what they stand for.
You can literally do that on a break (or more than one break since you'll get them every day) at work. And if you're not getting breaks at work, your boss is violating the labor laws which should be posted where all employees can see them. Not that they ever read them. Employees are entitled by federal law to a 5-20 minute paid break. I realize 5-20 minutes is shit, but most full time jobs at least give you longer unpaid breaks than that, if for no other reason than they don't want their employees passing out from hunger.
Democracy isn't government on cruise control. Democracy is a responsibility. Blaming politicians isn't going to change the fact that it is not institutions that uphold democracy. It's the people.
So yeah, ultimately the people failed themselves. Some people just need to learn the hard way. If that is the only way these people will learn, why try to stop them from getting their lessons?
Americans are basically spoiled children. Never experienced government hardship. Why expect them to understand the value of what they have that prevents the hardship?
Maybe if they just googled? Takes about 15 sec. They'd see something like this: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/ It's hard to imagine it could have been any easier for people who weren't aware of Harris' policies.
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