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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 135 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The joke is that something Elon's companies make actually works reliably.

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 58 points 8 months ago

The joke is also that the burning car was a Tesla, and if Elon could, he'd push a patch to copy/paste his face onto any memories of firefighters found in a Neuralink customer's brain

[-] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I was gonna say Tesla but he actually bought that company, and it doesn't do as well anymore

[-] QueenHawlSera@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago

I'd be on board with Neuralink.... if Musk wasn't behind it.

Think I"ll wait for an open source brain chip

[-] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 56 points 8 months ago

It is a really interesting, very scary technology that requires a solid institutional foundation to provide trust. Musk degrades trust, he doesn't build it.

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 24 points 8 months ago

His maga fanboys would ram a rusty nail into their skull if he tells them it's the hot new shit.

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Sounds like he doesn't need to give them neuralink, then.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Say that louder so he can hear.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

I'm not sure I'd even trust a fully local open source one.

The issues about trusting hardware and software development tools all lead to problems here.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Yeah if a bug or a hardware failure can make me see nightmare spiders everywhere or send a signal to my pain centers, that's a permanent no.

[-] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, basically IRL plot of Snow Crash.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lol that's funny! No one would actually do that to another person! We are completely safe because this degree of selfishness does not exist, that's why I can laugh at it!

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

Found the implanted.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think you people are vastly overestimating how much we actually know about the brain or severely underestimating how freaking complex it is.

The "you" reading this right now, is a fucking stack of six A4 sized sheets, each one nanometers thick, and crumpled into something which, by all appearances, looks to an external observer as an oversized walnut seed, cooled and maintained by a network of 400 miles capillaries, and isolated from the world by the blood brain barrier, which can only be described as a fucking miracle.

No. No one is going to be implanting any memories soon

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 8 points 8 months ago

AI is better at recognizing patterns than we are. The brain may be unfathomable to us, but technology already exists which could recognize the signals in your brain that represent memories and reproduce or alter them.

Neuralink and similar devices are being used right now, today, to record the thoughts of animals. The first neuralink patient is alive and well, meaning it's already being used on humans.

Do you really think this technology won't exist in our lifetime?

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Do you really think this technology won’t exist in our lifetime?

Yes, absolutely. What you're describing is AGI. If an AI could untangle engrams from branched clusters of extremely plastic neurons, it could understand and improve it's own thinking. It would actually be self aware before it could untangle the mess that our brains are. And I don't see AGI happening with our current material and resource constraints before I die. Seeing brain regions being active and de-novo engram implantation is about as close as an LLM is to AGI.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It is as you say, the scale doesn't even exist at this point

Even the recent fly brain mapping, enhanced with AI, had to take a destructive approach to map a half a milligram brain and these people are thinking matrix reloaded already

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 8 months ago

Respectfully, this sounds like opinion and doubt rather than a credibly timeline. Other than rattling off industry terms the only support you've given your argument is "I don't see AGI happening". You've collected an impressive shopping basket of buzz words but done little to dissuade me or the engineers developing this technology that it won't be ready within a lifetime. Stay tuned.

Oh, and "its own thinking" not "it's own thinking". His, hers, its.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Your extrapolation has about as much support. I don't really know what bothers you about the vocabulary I used but I can say I don't play much attention to punctuation marks when inputting text with a swipe keyboard on my phone.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 8 months ago

"pay much attention" not "play". I'd be more careful with that keyboard if I were you. Wouldn't want to lose any credibility.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I thought I made it clear enough I didn't give a shit.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 8 months ago

But you expect us to care about your opinion? Be correct and be nice or you won't get to finish the discussion. It's like a recipe, you have to do the work to get the product.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

If you primarily engage in typos versus ideas I don't particularly consider you worth discussing anything with anyway.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 8 months ago

It's been fun.

[-] infinite_ass@leminal.space 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Maybe memories are actually really simple. Like the words on a screen. An arrangement of symbols, then a boatload of meaning and interpretation and rationalization. So all you need to do to make memories is to insert a few words. The brain's "memory interpreter" does the rest of the work.

For example, we insert the words "brother appears". Then, for the "new memory", we reference your memories of your brother. His appearance and the sound of his voice. Then we contrive a narrative explaining why "brother" is at this place and time. Etc. Voila! You now have a memory of your brother standing there saying some stuff.

So to make a memory, it wouldn't require a grand delicate manipulation of brainstuff. Just a simple thing.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Memory and simple are words that you can only read when saying "memory IS NOT simple"

For fucks sake, our body stores memories for preferences in our literal guts

Memory is a lot of things except simple

[-] illi@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

This is a plot point in one Stargate episode. It was a bit less melevolent but still scary

[-] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I've been meaning to do a rewatch, what episode (a vague description I could look up myself is enough).

[-] illi@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Looked it up for you. It's season 7, episode 5 - Revisions

[-] TronNerd82@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, soon enough someone will figure out how to install Gentoo on it, and then you can have a headache every time you compile packages.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

The problem with the comic's premise is that Neuralink doesn't do memories at all. It's more like a replacement for a keyboard and mouse.

But sure, I guess: never pass up a cheap shot on Elon ;)

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 8 months ago

"I will always remember you... MEMORIES DELETED."

[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Companies are constantly being called out for selling user data, imagine the shit that will come out if this shit goes mainstream. Then multiple that but all the stories about a Tesla going rogue and you pretty much end up with the worst possible idea ever.

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