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[-] Bleys@lemmy.world 123 points 6 days ago

Just wait until the adults are people who grew up with the YouTube algorithm

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago

Slightly off topic, but it just dawned on me that the youngest generation might not have as universal of a childhood compared to some before.

Like, everyone in school knew what SpongeBob was. Maybe you didn't have a TV or you didn't like watching it, but you knew the characters and the general gist of what happens in the show.

With kids on such giant platforms like YouTube, there's so much variety, I wonder if the "brand recognition" will be as strong in 10 years.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 50 points 6 days ago

I’m sure most kids know about Skibidi Toilet, the Paul brothers and Mr Beast.

What’s worse, is that the Paul brothers and Mr Beast use their influence to promote products directly to the children. Like Prime.

[-] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 32 points 6 days ago

Many shows when we were kids were just drivers for toy sales though. Product placement was also huge and unregulated.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 23 points 6 days ago

True, but I like Transformers so it’s ok

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 14 points 6 days ago

I don't remember the people behind Power Rangers using their influence to get me to agree to being put through what amounts to torture for the hope of getting enough money to pay my bills though.

[-] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 6 days ago

That’s odd, because I seem remember lots of pro-capitalist messaging on TV when I was growing up.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 5 points 6 days ago

We were pressured to buy the toys, but we didn't have anything on the order of IRL Squid Game.

[-] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 days ago

I was playing with your idea of getting put through torture to get money to pay the bills - if you interpret that as encouraging us to get a job under capitalism, it’s basically what that amounts to!

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[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I imagine that 10-20 years from now, there will be a lot more young adults bonding over vague memories of videos that they loved when little, but that they can't find a shred of anymore. Creators will have risen and fallen through the years. Some will shut down their channels and retire, others will be demonetized, and yet more will simply disappear without a trace. There won't be a backlog of every kids' video on YouTube; it's not like PBS or Nickelodeon, where popular shows might get officially archived. Instead, people will be left vaguely describing plots they can't fully remember, all the while getting a weird look from those who don't know what they're talking about. They may even come to think, "Maybe I just dreamed it all up?" and give up on their search for nostalgic connection.

Until the day one person finds an old screenshot from whatever the show was and shares it. That's when everyone will flip out because, Holy shit, that's it! That's the show! At which point, they will collectively and slowly realize just how messed up the show actually was.

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I'm 29 and this is already the case. A lot of the early 2000s internet is already getting hard to find, and even a lot of early YouTube feels like it's been scrubbed clean, or had stuff auto-muted/removed due to copyright that drastically affects the content. Not to mention all the flash animations and whatnot that might not have made it to somewhere as big as Newgrounds. There's a lot of stuff I remember watching that seems to be utterly lost

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[-] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 9 points 6 days ago

I've noticed with my kids it's more about streamers. They all know them by name. They'll talk about their latest videos like we would with TV show episodes.

[-] nicknonya 37 points 6 days ago

yt has been around for some 18 years now. there are already adults who grew up with it

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 32 points 6 days ago

YouTube changed. Of cause it always had some kind of algorithm but The Algorithm is relatively new

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Yeah, we've gone from 'charlie but me' to 'charlie pretends he's not a Nazi on a clip from fox news'

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 days ago

Did Charlie get his kidney back? That damn Candy Mountain......

[-] QueenHawlSera@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I really hate it, YouTube has more restrictions than Cable TV now... I remember when you were allowed to reference the fact that death, bigotry, and sexual assault existed. Now on Youtube you're only allowed to reference the latter two if you're PragerU and tying to say these are "Good things ackshaulkly"

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

They seem to be talking about it (and by extension streaming) as a replacement for TV. But TV was still a big thing 18 years ago.

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[-] RawrGuthlaf@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Exactly why I heavily limit the amount and specifics of what my kids watch on it. Sadly I know too many kids that have been literally raised on YouTube, and they already act weird af.

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[-] QueenHawlSera@lemmy.world 52 points 6 days ago

This sadly reminds me of when an Official Star Wars Youtube channel did animations to introduce the main characters to a younger generation. There's one of Leia where they re-enact her shooting the group's way into the garbage area.

And literally there were dozens of Far Right Star Wars "Fan" channels screaming about it, claiming that no scene like that existed in the actual movie and that they were "re-writing history to make Leia look more important than she really is"

They really are just massive sexists who pretend Rey's a Mary Sue and that Leia never did anything but wear the slave outfit.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago

Star Wars fans are the absolute worst. Gotta be the single worst fandom I'm aware of.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 65 points 6 days ago

Woke is when eyes more open. Checks out.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 6 days ago

Well, I am not "woke", I am eepy.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

You can be both. I know I am.

[-] person___man@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago

I like the accuracy of the eyes growing over time.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

I've been trying to wrap my head around this too. Just yesterday, I was thinking "what would Mr. Rogers say/think at a time like this?"

Then it dawned on me that maybe the worst parts of society had a radically different upbringing and media exposure than myself. ^1^ The so-called "violent" cartoons (many of which were just toy commercials) I get and recall people keeping that stuff from their kids. But to think of banning something like (1980's) PBS in your home, of all things. Now I understand why that messaging existed in the first place - we might be worse off right now without it.


1. Insert "we-are-not-the-same-gen-x.jpg" meme here.

[-] prole 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My only hope about public radio/TV, going forward, is that they're already so used to operating on a shoestring budget from the government. It will unfortunately mean more funding drives, but I will definitely be far more likely to contribute if that becomes literally their only source of income.

And maybe without money from the government, they will be more independent, as lately NPR has been sliding right as an overcorrection over idiots that think reporting objective reality is biased because it makes their side look bad.

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[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We have entered an era where everything must be equal. Are you interviewing a highly qualified medical specialist about vaccines? Make sure you also bring in a conspiracy theorist who didn't finish high school but has a twitter account, to present a dissenting opinion. Today at "Every opinions deserves to be heard" , we have an alpha male and a rape victim, listeners will be able to make up their own minds about who provoked who.”

[-] zea_64 12 points 6 days ago

If we were living in the 1930s they'd be the same people complaining we're being unfair to Hitler and we need to hear his perspective too.

Hell, he used the same political strategy as modern day fascist politicians: simply lying. "I'm gonna make everything better! How? Don't worry about that, just trust me and also let me reassert Germany's national pride!" I'm reminded of Trump's ACA "plan" (that he doesn't have one).

And we just let them say that, unchallenged! Maybe someone asks how they'll do it, but viewers just hear a strong man telling a story of future prosperity and ignore any small details a journalist might counter with. In the name of "balance", we let them spread their info hazards and pretend silly things like facts will let people come to the right conclusion.

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[-] inkrifle@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

I still find it insane how racism has become political now.

[-] praxis_jack@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

WhY iS eVeRyThInG pOlItIcAl NoW

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

I like to ask anybody in a tirade against "wokeness" or "DEI" what their definitions of those words are and what they find objectionable about it.

If they can define it correctly (most can't), they usually can't put into words what they don't like about it other than that the idea of other people being treated equitably and respectfully makes them feel threatened , vulnerable, or marginalized. Which is absurd, but expecting these people to think beyond themselves is asking too much.

[-] moonburster@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Note, not against it.

I think a huge part of it comes from the usage of "wokeness" as a political tool and the fact that companies made it a marketing strategy. What I hear mostly by people opposed to inclusion is that it is in everything, even if it's not relevant (in movies for example, there is a heavy emphasis on the fact that someone is gay even though it is supposed to be a John wick ish movie where no one should care about which hole except the bullet hole).

I think that it should be included in everything whenever it fits, que the "there is a time and place for everything" pokemon meme. I think we have that more and more these days too :)

[-] aliser@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

usually, by "woke" movies people mean movies only made for the sake of being "woke", no? like its only message is "here's all the diversity, look, look, at our big woke diverse movie! now, give us the moneys we are so diverse look at us and don't bother us anymore with your agenda!"

[-] prole 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lol no. Often a video game will get called "woke" for simply having a female protagonist with short hair.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago

God forbid she's muscular and doesn't show stereotypical hetero-normative traits too

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[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 44 points 6 days ago

Generally Republicans and Trumpists use "woke" to describe anything they don't like that seems to slightly swing liberal rather than anything specific.

Originally "woke" was slang in the black community meaning to understand the risks of being black in the world and basically was an equivalent of saying "drive safely!" or a Midwestern "watch for deer!" in wishing one a friendly goodbye

[-] spector@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

Woke == Haram. It's christian sharia law. You know, that thing conservatives have been fear mongering about for what like 20 years. Except want their version of it for real.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago

usually, by "woke" movies people mean movies only made for the sake of being "woke", no?

This is what people using the term really want you to think. That they're fine with incidental/statistically correct/non-performative diversity and inclusion and are just pointing out when it happens for the sake of itself to the detriment of the quality of media.

The reality though is quite different, and people will call "woke" at almost any non-white, non-straight, or non-male character in a major role, or a non-cis character in even a passing role.

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[-] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 days ago

Nah, there's a pretty huge list of "woke" video games and they include titles that have an optional 1 minute scene of homosexual romance.

[-] aliser@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

so, to just have something to be angry about

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 6 points 6 days ago

The true snowflakes are always looking for something inconsequential to have a meltdown over

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[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Black Panther was seemingly made for the sake of being the MCU's first black-lead movie. And it's great. Drag can't think of any other movies made for the sake of being woke, so we'll just have to rely on this sample size of 1 which says woke movies are awesome.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

That is the hyperbolic caricature conservatives apply in their head, sure.

It’s a pretty common approach to complicated issues.

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