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And so it begins...

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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 152 points 1 month ago
[-] tiita@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago

Not really.. This time America voted for the felon to become a dictator

And the felon will do whatever he can to make it happen.

Last time it was still a misguided presidency.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago

I hear ya, but I mean he 'joked' about it before this election too.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 month ago
[-] HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

Don't forget when he praised Xi Jinping for removing term limits and suggested he might do the same https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-praises-chinese-president-extending-tenure-for-life-idUSKCN1GG03P/

[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He's also just explicitly said that he wants to be a dictator, but that apparently isn't a turn-off for much of his base, and in fact many of them see it as a positive: https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I saw a comment from a conservative recently who was hoping that Trump would create term limits for congress. Like, how delusional can you be?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

If only there were just one example instead likely over 10

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 25 points 1 month ago

in the 10 minutes of the Rogan interview I could stomach he talked about how surreal it all was, how it was a joke, he didn't want to be a politician, and he didn't expect to win.

He was expecting it this time and he knows what he can get away with.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

It could be that simple. He didn't realize the potential the first time around and so many things got in the way, including a disaster that tried to force a leadership role on him. This time enough was changed and built up to prevent the obstacles, and he not only can avoid justice for his past, but he can, in his own words, "do anything and they'll let you."

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[-] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 108 points 1 month ago

Luckily, the process of repealing or changing an amendment likely won’t change anytime soon, even with a Republican trifecta at the federal level, as it requires overwhelming public support. As outlined in Article 5 of the Constitution, any such change requires at least two-thirds of the Senate and the House to agree on the modification, with that change then requiring ratification by a minimum of three-quarters of states in the nation.

I wouldn't be so confident. If the majority decides to ignore it, then a constitution suddenly holds very little weight. Remember how the Roman Empire was once a Republic, until someone decided it wasn't anymore? Remember how 1930s Germany was a democracy, until someone decided that had to end?

Trump might argue some weird logic regarding the 22nd and 12th amendment. Or he might just declare a state of national emergency because of a new migrant caravan or some such shit, and postpone elections indefinitely. If he tries anything of the sort, it will all come down to whose side the military is on.

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

What happens if they declare all democrats are enemies of the state and remove them from office and put their people in?

[-] ziggurat@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago
[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Project Gilead.

[-] prole 12 points 1 month ago

You mean the thing that they literally told us they were going to do?

They didn't actually mean that...

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[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago
[-] 3PO40K@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

You would think they would figure it out right? It's not a joke.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

You'd think, but then 75 or so million people either didn't, or wanted this.

[-] jerakor@startrek.website 57 points 1 month ago

He is 78, in awful health, and has no interest in a legacy or supporting a successor. He keeps everyone around him at odds and maintains enough infighting that no clear heir apparent could really show up.

So like, he really only will hold power long enough to make everything terrible. So we got that goin for us.

[-] minnow@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

You know how long Caesar was dictator for life before he was assassinated? Less than a year.

But the damage was done, and Rome had a civil war over whether it would go back to being a Republic like it had been or if it would have an autocratic ruler. Obviously, the latter won out.

A lesson from history.

[-] jerakor@startrek.website 29 points 1 month ago

Let's not lump Trump in with Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar was a war hero and a capable leader who's final crimes were giving out citizenship and housing.

Trump's final crimes will be giving all our state secrets to every other government in the world and obliterating our infrastructure.

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

We have so many lessons from history to pull from right now that you would need multiple professors to explain them all and yet they were all ignored.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 49 points 1 month ago

Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he's been "joking" about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He's a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.

I've lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what's coming.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

You deserve what’s coming.

You're talking to the people who tried to stop him, so fuck off.

[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

He's talking broadly, to Americans. Which you and I are. And he's right, we deserve this. As a country.

As an individual, neither of us do, since we fought and voted against him. But that's not what OP was saying. He wasn't addressing you specifically, but our nation in the second person.

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[-] nimble 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he's been "joking" about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He's a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.

I've lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what's coming.

60% of eligible voters didn't vote. It can be debated if they are complacent or if party leadership didn't Sufficiently motivate them to vote

Of the 40% eligible voters that did vote, 50% voted for trump and 48% voted for Harris.

So depending on how you look at it, 19% of eligible voters actively didn't vote for Trump, or 20% of eligible voters actively voted for Trump.

We could also go on to say that, of those who voted for trump, there was a portion that was not informed which could partially be blamed on the media as well as party leaderships. Some of them are just in a cult mentality and while that doesn't excuse their behavior, they are actively being manipulated. And then there are a bunch of voters who genuinely just want to watch the world burn.

I'm sure we could dissect this many ways, but i can can't see how everyone deserves what's coming. For example , I didn't ask for this. I actively volunteered my time to try to prevent it. Yeah, a good chunk of Americans are idiots. But not all of us deserve what's coming. Fuck that.

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Remember, the Constitution is just a really old piece of paper if the people entrusted to enforce it choose to ignore it.

There is a non-zero chance that Trump could move to suspend the Constitution entirely, backed by a complicit Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court and several state governments. And at that point, we would literally have to hope and pray that the rank-and-file military is on the side of the people, which is far, far from guaranteed. Because if they're not, you can claim your Constitutional rights all you want, but you'll be doing it with the other prisoners inside of whatever re-education camp you're assigned to.

Heck, there's a non-zero chance that the American voter just gives off a collective "meh" and just apathetically lets Trump seize total power. We just saw a few million people do just that.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

Wow, already in the first week. Expect to hear this joke periodically over the course of his term, each time getting slightly more seriously stated. By the third year, everyone will have heard it so much it'll be accepted as a perfectly reasonable idea. And the media will help that along in how they report on it. This is the tried and true playbook and it will work, not only for this plan but for their other plans.

Take for example the planned mass deportations. They'll start out with finding some people who have committed crimes (or they claim have), deport them and no one will object to that, it's already how it's done. As they move on to those whose crimes are not very consequential, like traffic tickets or whatever, if libs say anything against it, they'll pounce on it and amplify stories how the libs are overreacting and want criminals to be left free and have open borders. Harping on any criticism in cases that are technically justified is key to getting the public used to pooh-poohing any dissent as they start escalating and going after the law-abiding (other than being here illegally ofc) immigrants, families with mixed status members, DACA/Dreamers, parents of children born here and thus citizens and deporting the children with them, etc.

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[-] madjo@feddit.nl 40 points 1 month ago

It’s not a joke! For heaven’s sake, media, it’s not a joke!

[-] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Exactly. And this isn't even the first time he's said it!

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago

George W. Bush made a joke about being a dictator, but never tried to actually be one. Trump has been trying to be a dictator from the moment he was born...

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I don't see him lasting his full term. Dude's old, is incredibly unhealthy, and has enough power-mad people around him that the first sign of weakness will probably be enough for medical intervention and Vance becoming president. Becoming president AGAIN at his age is possibly the dumbest thing he can do for his health.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sadly his Klan loving father lived to 93, and being POTUS is like having a dedicated one person ER following you around.

Also, the office only ages you if you're committed to performing the job, Trump uses the office to troll the people he can troll and, more urgently, personally profit for anyone that offers him or his businesses a bribe in exchange for a Presidential act. He doesn't work even in business, he issues broad, pie in the sky dictates and encourages his own employees infighting about the details. He's bragged about this.

Trump was the first President in my lifetime to accelerate the aging of those he governed rather than himself. Like so many other things people seem to forget, he spent a lot of his first term golfing.

Not that I'm complaining on that point, golf motherfucker! Do less!

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

This is something I don't think they even acknowledge or think about. Some of their shit in comparing him to Hitler (and they do that in a positive manner) is when they claim that some of the shit that is happening to him is like him being imprisoned after the Beer Hall Putsch (referring to Jan 6th). This is stupid. Hitler was barely in his early 30s at the time and he was actually at the START of his political career. Trump was never imprisoned and when he did his shit he already had very real political power that Hitler never had in 1923.

Trump the oldest presidential nominee ever and I hope that he will stay the oldest. We don't need that kind of geriatic shit in any political office anywhere.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Cheeto ain't joking about power.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago

Good thing he's old AF and overweight. Maybe that will impact him even before this term is done...

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Yeah, President Vance? Every option has us screwed no matter how long Trump lasts

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 14 points 1 month ago

The one benefit of Vance replacing Trump is that he doesn't have a cult like Trump does.

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[-] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Ben Shapiro is a hypocritical piece of shit. Sorry that might not be relevant.

[-] TurnpikeRangers@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Nah, that's always relevant

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It wasn't a joke.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

He won't stay in power. His appointment of incompetent sycophants will dismantle 250 years of American prosperity (maliciously or negligently, it doesn't matter) and it will be sold for parts to billionaires and foreign states.

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

It's not a joke, you fucking idiot.

[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Brave of him to assume he'll still be alive by year four

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Yeah, a "joke".

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

He’ll do what Putin did. Have Vance run as President, and run as his Vice-President. He’ll maintain control like Dick Cheney with Bush.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

ITS NOT A "JOKE" AND NEVER FUCKING HAS BEEN

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 1 month ago

dictators dont steal or take control. its handed to them.

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