I definitely support women’s rights and will always believe in their unfettered right to decide their own reproductive choices. I was worried when I first read this, however. If the only people having children are the fascists and their enablers, I fear the future will be even more bleak than the present. That said, this story does seem to indicate the movement is more based around not having children with Trump voters which I find completely reasonable.
The future is going to be pretty bleak with 10 billion people on the planet, too.
Nah it's cool. That's just a temporary problem.
What? Overpopulation hasnt been a worry for well over a decade now and it wont be anytime soon. We will never reach 10 billion.
Not sure what rock you've been under but global population is projected to peak at 10.3 billion in the 2080s.
I'm 51, and I've never been so happy not to have kids in my life.
The fun part is that this the foundation "Idiocracy" built its world on.
it's interesting to see the summaries become more inaccurate and incendiary as you change the "bias" from left to right.
left wing summary:
- The 4B movement began in South Korea in 2019, advocating against heterosexual marriage, childbirth, dating, and sexual relationships with men.
- Supporters aim to boycott a system they believe promotes gender inequity, seeking control over their lives.
- The movement's potential expansion to the U.S. Is seen as a response to perceived threats to women's rights following an election.
right wing summary:
- A group of American liberal women launched the "4B Movement" to boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
- The movement is a protest against perceived threats to women's rights, including concerns about abortion rights and gender equality.
- The effectiveness of the "4B Movement" in causing political change is currently uncertain, as it primarily aims to make a statement.
notice how the left wing summary properly states that this is a movement that started years ago in korea, and that it's something that women in the US are adopting due to the recent election. meanwhile, the right wing summary falsely claims that the movement was created by "American liberal women". it also claims that the movement was created to "boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump", which is just not true from the other things i've read. everything else seems to indicate that the 4B movement is about boycotting relationships with all men, not just trump supporters. but maybe i'm wrong about that last point.
See that's wild to me. If women ended relationships with Trump supporters that would be quite a statement.
However it's mostly left leaning women joining 4b. 52% of white women voted for Trump, even more when you include those who stayed home. That means more conservative relationships, marriages, families and fewer leftist ones. It's almost what conservatives want with all that pureblood talk that the non pure bloods stop reproducing.
Whatever at least it's bringing attention to the cause for now so that's worth something.
The fact that neither side even breathes the word Lysistrata explains a lot about how you got there
i can forgive people for not referencing an ancient comedy that would take an entire paragraph of preamble to explain its relevant before making a point about a fictional story from a long time ago.
it's not like it was a history.
"In a move straight out of lysistrata, an ancient greek comedy where women withold sexual favours to stop a war"
I literally read that shit as part of a three month subject in year nine
Which will work until Project 2025 recodifies rape as a property crime against a woman’s male guardian.
A “women are property” sign showed up in Texas, complete with a reference to old Jewish law via Romans.
In Sunday school I learned that when Jesus arrived it was now his way not the Old Testament way. And yet. Lewis Black has a whole stand up bit regarding his utter confusion at Christians wanting to tap into his god, who he describes as “a real son of a bitch”.
In the context of what is about to happen in America, it makes complete sense. It’s a cherry picked excuse to treat us as prized livestock.
Legacy is a commodity. I would argue it’s the ultimate commodity. And men don’t have choice there unless it’s given to them by a women. Or an abortion ban, wherein rapists now get to choose. Put the pieces together and legacy, in conjunction with traditional male roles attached to that will be sitting in the center.
God damnit the dating scene is already brutal enough. Dating apps are crap. I'm seeing a ton of friends going 4b. And the worst thing (from a dating perspective) is that they are right.
Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.
The thing is, Republican women aren't interested in 4b. Abstinence can be a really effective means of protest, but only if a majority of women participate. 45% of women voted for Trump, and over 50% of white women voted for Trump. If the only women open to relationships are Republicans, a lot of men who don't care about politics will turn red.
First off, back when the majority of women available to date were leftwing, men didn't get more leftwing. It didn't happen. Women in the youngest voting demographic on exit polls were something like 61% voted for Kamala, whereas the men it was 45%. If your theory was right (and not just an excuse to blame women for men's abuse), those numbers would be equal.
Women in general are more prone to abstinence. This includes conservative women, many of whom believe sex without the intent of procreation is wrong. Many will not engage in premarital sex and will not cohabitate before marriage. Some don't believe in birth control. Many believe masturbation is wrong. Do you think they are having the same type of sex as nonconservatives? Lol. Also, these women don't believe in abortion. There are women who are lesbians, suppressing it for religious reasons, who will never enjoy sex with a man but will do it anyway. They have very extreme views I doubt you've considered. And then there's their fathers and family, some of whom will threaten you with a gun outright because that's considered a funny conservative trope.
So yeah, if that's your morals, go ahead and go. You were always the patriarchal piece of shit we knew you to be. Have fun with your weird ass handmaid.
Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.
Read Handmaid's Tale. They won't need dolls.
Margaret Atwood made sure that everything that happens in that story is something that has happened in real life at some point in history. It will now happen again.
If we ever have elections again, convince your friends to not vote for fascism and misogeny.
Honestly, I think 4b will be very effective because if Jodi Foster can convince one man
Are there any self respecting women still fucking republicans?
Lots unfortunately, ~46% of women voted for Trump. Compared to 53% for Harris. This is less of a gap than there was in Biden v Trump (55% v 43%).
More than half of white women voted for Trump.
self respecting
More than half of white women who voted voted for trump. Only ~53% of white women voted at all, so about 28% of white women voted for trump
Another way to add those numbers is to say 75% of all white women didn't vote for Harris. We can twist stats all day long to try and blame someone, but the reality is that Americans are thirsty for something and Trump promised it to them. Harris failed to read the room. Society is hurting and authoritarianism is a bottle of liquor; you know it's not the best choice but at least it feels good if nobody is going to give you populism.
Maybe a few with a GOP kink?
Do what you have to do ladies.
I only have this bit of unsolicited advice. Try to still form genuine connections with men who you consider to be decent human beings when possible. I'm not saying this for our sake either. This is not South Korea. This is ~~potentially~~ probably going to be worse. If our government goes all the way and removes women's rights in their entirety then you're going to want men in your life that you can trust.
I would say this really goes for everyone. Trump's revenge tour is going to be cruel and people need to form strong communities. This is a time where people need to find like minded individuals and band together if they want to make it through the hell that's approaching us.
Godspeed to them.
Let's get those birth rates lower than Japan and Korea.
We can do this! America numba 1!!!
I see this going two ways:
It deffo ain't finna be some Lysistrata shit.
You don't pass politics genetically to your offspring.
You don't pass your religion genetically either but mysteriously most children grow up with the same one their parents did.
You don’t need to pass it genetically, most behaviors are learned. Thats not to say that it’s deterministic, but statistically people are likely to have the same religious and political views as their parents.
Republicans: we want pure women
Women:
Republicans: No wait not like that
Strange how this appears to be a very close carbon copy of MGTOW - don’t marry, don’t have kids, don’t cohabitate, focus on yourself over chasing skirts - and yet 4B is celebrated and MGTOW is vilified. Surprising how blatant the anti-male gender bigotry gets.
It gets even crazier when you realize that MGTOW is doing that one thing women have been begging men to do for generations - for men to leave them completely alone, to not approach them or flirt with them or bother them in any way - and yet MGTOW men are crucified for doing exactly that.
Hypocrisy, much?
I mean, 4B is a good thing. Humanity is already four times past the planet’s safe carrying capacity, so less humans are what we should be aiming for. Plus, if this 4B thing takes off and has a deep impact over decades, most women involved with it will exit out of their fertility window - from age 15 to 35 - without ever having had a child.
I’m an egalitarian. If MGTOW is a thing, why not 4B? Both should be able to exist.
What I have a problem with, however, is that any fair and equitable society cannot celebrate one and vilify the other. Otherwise, why call it “equality,” when it is anything but that?
Your response was, "Won't somebody think of the men!?" I think you need to sit this one out, bro.
most women involved with it will exit out of their fertility window - from age 15 to 35
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shut the fuck up permanently you goddamned weirdo.
The 4B movement in South Korea is meant to oppose their patriarchal state because they don't want to be viewed as reproductive tools.
On the other hand the movement you're talking about is meant to "protect" against feminism and oppose a supposed bias against men in society, which is ludicrous when you consider that women are discriminated against much much more to the point it's not even comparable. It's just a misogynistic movement.
So no, this isn't hypocrisy, these are very different.
Now, if men made a movement to protest gendered expectations or real problems without jumping through a thousand hoops to blame feminism, and without its logic being based in misogyny, I think that would be better received.
Dat subtext tho
Ahh yes, remove yourselves from the gene pool making it easier for republicans to reproduce with other republicans...
That'll show em!
Do you think politics is genetic and passed down to your offspring...?
Possibly (at least predisposition may be), and yes.
In any case - a Lysistratan stance seems completely understandable to me.
Even if they don't think that, they sure seem to think that women are nothing but incubators whose wants and needs and rights are of no importance, only our uteri are.
Exactly like the other misogynists women are doing this to avoid!
But I bet they're the first to jump up and whine that not all men.. 🙄
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