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submitted 1 week ago by maxprime@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[-] wax@feddit.nu 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My main gripe with windows is that it's gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it's not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.

That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I'm sure I could find a workflow that works with WSL or vcpkg.

Edit: Oh, and everything turning to webapps on the desktop. Love staring at white canvas while it waits for a server response.

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago

As someone who has a good windows laptop at home, windows at work is actual garbage. We had a month where you just couldn't use the search function, because the act of typing in the search bar caused enough problems it would close the search bar.

Odds are your home computer is somewhat competent and your work one is a steaming pile of trash not fit for purpose.

[-] fhein@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

We just had Windows Update brick itself due to a faulty update. The fix required updating them manually while connected to the office network, making them unusable for 2-3 hours. Another issue we've had is that Windows appears to be monopolizing virtualization HW acceleration for some memory integrity protection, which made our VMs slow and laggy. Fixing it required a combination of shell commands, settings changes and IT support remotely changing some permission, but the issue also comes back after some updates.

Though I've also had quite a lot of Windows problems at home, when I was still using it regularly. Not saying Linux usage has been problem free, but there I can at least fix things. Windows has a tendency to give unusable error messages and make troubleshooting difficult, and even when you figure out what's wrong you're at the mercy of Microsoft if you are allowed to change things on your own computer, due to their operating system's proprietary nature.

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

I ran arch on it for about a year - it’s a gen 9 i5. During that time I had a desktop that ran W10 on a gen 3 i5 and was quite a competent machine. Then with W11 and the TPM requirement that perfectly good windows box became ewaste.

The laptop is fine. Windows 11 is just garbage.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

I'm consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn't connect to anything and the tray app wouldn't pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

Windows on the other hand... Lets just say there's a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago
[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 days ago

Worse, Vista you could wrestle into submission, Windows11 is so deeply embedded with ads, spyware, bloat, and spaghetti code, it's almost impossible to get it clean.

And even when you do, you have to constantly fight to keep it that way. The fact that Windows will change your settings for default apps and privacy preferences without your permission after a major update is absolutely insane and disgusting.

I shouldn't have to constantly be on guard for my OS Which I paid $200 for professional licensing to just sneak its own preferences and settings back to what it wants.

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[-] mr_satan@monyet.cc 23 points 6 days ago

TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn't say it's much more different from Windows.

Now what does differ a lot is that I don't need to fight the OS to do shit. It's way better productivitywise, when I know what I'm doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

[-] Sas@beehaw.org 6 points 5 days ago

That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I'm fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn't work it's not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 days ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 15 points 6 days ago

I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac's UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.

[-] ElectricFlux77@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

It's bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I'm glad I don't have to use macs.

[-] Tumbleweeds5@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago

My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn't be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something...

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃

I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.

*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.

[-] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 days ago

The funniest thing is it doesn't even have to be this way with Windows. I've unfortunately had to go back to dual booting lately but I'm using Win 10 LTSC and I have to say I'm surprised how tolerable it is. I'd still rather not use it but eeh it's fine.

[-] autokludge@programming.dev 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I'm pretty sure all the non 'classic' apps are this way now. I'm currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

Personally I've been using outlook via pwa for months anyway

If they're gonna put it in an electron container anyway you be may as well cut out the middleman and just use the web app Microsoft's ones are actually quite good now

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[-] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 6 days ago

Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.

[-] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago

I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.

Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.

[-] exu@feditown.com 9 points 6 days ago

When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.

That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it's perfect now.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.

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[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

I thought outlook had been electron for a while

I've been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it's causing problems for you on windows?

[-] prole 5 points 6 days ago
[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Going from my laptops to a client's Windows machine feels like I'm stepping back in time, every time.

Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows 'proper' because of all of the modifications to make it usable.

MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.

(hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And here I am looking to move away from Linux after they started rejecting contributions for political reasons.

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

They removed maintainers that work for Russian corporations, they are not blocking submissions from any Russian citizen.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago

That doesn't invalidate my statement though.

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

The reason I replied is because of the "submissions" part. They aren't doing that, everyone can still submit code that might get accepted. What they did was remove some of the people in charge of deciding what gets accepted from the team.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

I think that entire comment is actually incorrect. My understanding is that they did not "remove" any maintainers, but actually rejected patches from Russian citizens (because of their employer), and also removed some Russian names from the maintainers list who already have code in the kernel.

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