And those 79% should never get an abortion if they do become pregnant and leave everyone else the fuck alone.
The 79% statistic does not seem true,, at least if we're assuming the American context. The sentiments around legal abortion are more similar than that between men and women, with 38% of men opposed and 33% of women opposed to legal abortion in most cases.
Plenty of men support abortion - it removes financial responsibility from them, after all. Protests at abortion clinics are often held by women as much as men.
The more important demographic here is that most opposed to abortion are strongly religious.
Look outside the US and you'll see that countries that do support choice are less influenced by the Church. It's not coincidence.
And many of the men who oppose abortions, are massive fucking hypocrits who will gladly have their mistress get an abortion somewhere else.
Almost as if claiming a simple statistic tells the whole story doesn't tell the whole story.
Our, maybe try a slightly less sexist approach and look at the religion these people follow. In my experience, abortion has never been a man/woman issue, it's a religious one
Idk how to respectfully say this, but you are being so vengeful toward religion that you forgot the intersectionality of gender and sex to that equation. This is not to invalidate your feelings, but that I find your statement invalidating a large part of this topic for no reason.
Where did she get that number? Where's the source?
Majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) express support for legal abortion.
38% of men are against abortion, and 33% of women are against.
The numbers are pretty similar.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Those are different numbers, percentage of men who are against abortion and percentage of people against abortion who are men are not the same.
Doesn't matter. If you take those numbers, let's say 4 out of 10 men are against abortion, so you put them in a pile.
Then you take 3 out of 10 women against abortion and you put them in the same pile.
So now you have a pile with 4 men and 3 women who are against abortion. Which would mean 4/7 people who are against abortion are men. Which is 57%. Not 79% at all.
Either way. What's the source. Should always source your statistics.
It does matter, you’re assuming that they surveyed equal number of men and women, but I don’t see anywhere on that site that indicates that. Example in which op could be correct along with the statistics from (or close enough because I am on my phone and can’t get too complicated). Let’s create our dataset that could fit both results, let’s say they surveyed 100 people, 74 men and 26 women. From that 36 people are against abortion, 28 men and 8 women. So 36% of people surveyed are against abortion( This part matches the overall %s from the survey). Those 28men make up 78% of the people against abortion (this part matches OP). If we calculate them within each gender, 38% of the men are against abortion and 29% of women are against abortion (numbers got a little different here, but it’s close to the survey results). I am assuming that they didn’t have equal number of men and women, that’s why they stayed away from that calculation.
Thanks, the story she was telling was counter-intuitive and without source. Hence, doubt!
Ok, my first thought was "no way" but different areas of the country are different, so I was open to digging in. Looks like my gut was right, it's just more "alternative facts."
This is erasure of the like, 1 maybe 2, trans men that are anti-abortion
Yeah I kind of thought the statement was somehow obliquely anti-trans, but I didn't want to open that can of arsenic.
I wish it was that few, but sadly trans people can have some really atrocious politics too. I doubt they're a significant factor on this particular scenario, though.
trans men that are anti-abortion
Well, allow me to be inclusive and say that both cis- and trans men who oppose aborion deserve a very equal kick to the face.
Honestly it's absolutely shocking that there are anti-abortion women at all tbh but it's also in the same country where half the country wants to elect an inept treasonous convict
there are a lot of women in jeebus camp who've been indoctrinated since birth to do what they're told by men. they argue that it frees them of the 'burden' of thinking for themselves and making their own decisions. because the belief that those things are too much work for a woman is part of the indoctrination
Rich people know that they are exempt to most rules and sometimes they just want to impose them on others.
No they don't. They only tell half the story.
The fact that the remaining 21% regularly go to abortion clinics anyway and tell the doctors that they will go to hell for giving them an abortion even as they demand one tells the other half.
68% of people believe in made-up numbers. 71% even, if the numbers sound random enough.
As one of the 21% who support abortion I think this statement is a little cavalier. The numbers tell more than one story.
It's not saying that 79% of men are abortion opponents.
It's saying that 79% of abortion opponents are men.
Those two statements are very different.
Here's a pew research thing finding about 61% of men supporting abortion in the US in 2024; lagging behind women at 64% but not by much
Nice. Research shows 5 out of 4 polls are misleading.
Well, one is a poll, one is a meme with no data source or explanation of what's been done to get to the possibly not very correct number
And pew research is one the the least biased sources someone could reference
99% of people who are opposed to murder will never be murdered, the numbers speak for themselves.
Pro choice just thought the argument was a little funny lol
They can be murdered though, unlike being pregnant, which I think is the point. The wording should better reflect that.
Wouldn't 99% of people who are opposed to murder will never be a murderer the more reflective statement here?
Also pro-choice.
Before Roe v. Wade were overturned I was critical about abortion, then we started hearing about all the trouble women go through and it shows how essential abortion is for reducing birth complications, even if it sounds illogical.
My main issue were when abortion was used as contraceptive, because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed, but then I learn that in those states sex-ed is very limited and contraceptives can be hard to get hold of. And without sex-ed and contraceptives abortion is the only option left.
In light of all that I now know why we need abortion and feel like a fool for opposing it.
because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed
I applaud you changing your mind in face of new information, I just kind of want to nitpick that being forced to carry a pregnancy that you don't want to term is also going to be extremely physically and emotionally tough.
I’m curious, is there ANY evidence of ‘abortion as contraceptive’ happening?
Doesn't really matter because the supermajority of Americans think abortion should be legal anyway. It's a small minority of the population that we have allowed to dictate domestic policy for their religious agenda.
It's not even religious. Their religion says all kinds of really important shit that they completely ignore. They just pick this one specific issue because they hate women and it's a lot easier to say "Uhhhh it's because of my religion, you're discriminating against me!" than it is to say "I hate women and want them to suffer".
Oh come now. They don't hate women, they just want to punish women for having sex outside of marriage because it's against...their... religion...
...hm.
And of the women, probably 1/3rd of them are post-menopausal and won't have any more kids either
If men could get pregnant, there would be drive-through abortion clinics every 5 miles
Though abortion isn't about men vs. women... It's more like everyone against some religuous bigots.
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