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submitted 19 hours ago by otter@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world

Privacy advocates got access to Locate X, a phone tracking tool which multiple U.S. agencies have bought access to, and showed me and other journalists exactly what it was capable of. Tracking a phone from one state to another to an abortion clinic. Multiple places of worship. A school. Following a likely juror to a residence. And all of this tracking is possible without a warrant, and instead just a few clicks of a mouse.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 10 hours ago

a device that constantly connects to antennas all over the place, is used to track your location.

who would have thought?

if you dont wanna get tracked - dont bring your phone.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Or, you know, let the gov work for you, not against you, & fully expect people to get jailed if they thank you.

It's a matter of perspective what the minimum standard should be.

Especially when a personal device like a phone is basically necessary for a normal life and even public services.

[-] MattMatt@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Meanwhile when I turn off Bluetooth on my iPhone it says "for the next y hours" and there's no option to turn it off permanently.

and there’s no option to turn it off permanently.

Did you actually try looking this up. Turn it off in settings and it's off forever until you turn it back on.

[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 30 points 9 hours ago

If you don't want to be tracked illegally, don't bring your phone.

If you don't want any to be tracked legally, write/call/tweet/visit your representatives.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Also just write your Supreme Court and ask them how this isn’t a flagrant violation of the intent of the fourth amendment. Seriously the founding fathers would be asking what the fuck about this. They weren’t good people but they would’ve been privacy nuts.

[-] uriel238 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The US Supreme Court has had an antagonistic relationship to the forth amd fifth amendments to the Constitution of the United States since before I was a kid in the 1970s since they often interfered with efforts to round up nonwhites. But after the 9/11 attacks and the PATRIOT ACT, SCOTUS has been shredding both amendments with carve-out exceptions.

Then Law Enforcement uses tech without revealing it in court, often lying ( parallel reconstruction ) to conceal questionable use, and the courts give them the benefit of the doubt.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

if you're talking about the supreme court, as in the SCOTUS, they're long past pretending they give the slightest fuck about the bill of rights.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Oh absolutely but it annoys them when they’re called out about it

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Or we could get rights protecting us from this. Especially considering that that’s a reasonable interpretation of the fourth amendment and the ninth amendment.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

We already have rights protecting us from this. They aren't being enforced.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Wouldn't just keeping your phone in a metal box prevent it from communicating with anything? Keep your phone in a metal box and only take it out when you need it. Only take it out in a location that isn't sensitive. Or hell, just make a little sleeve out of aluminum foil. Literally just wrapping your phone in aluminum foil should prevent it from connecting to anything. A tinfoil hat won't serve as an effective Faraday cage for your brain, but fully wrapping your phone in aluminum foil should do the job. Even better, as it's a phone, such a foil sleeve should be quite testable. Build it, put your phone in it, and try texting and calling it. If surrounded fully by a conductive material, the phone should be completely incapable of sending or receiving signals.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 55 points 11 hours ago

Start tracking politician phones. Oh look who paid a visit to the lobbyist house this week! That shit will get shut down real quick.

[-] bamfic@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago
[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

If you don't want to be tracked illegally, don't bring your phone.

If you don't want any to be tracked legally, write/call/tweet/visit your representatives.

edit: responded to the wrong comment

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 88 points 14 hours ago

It drives me nuts how our economic system is making not having a cell phone increasingly difficult. Many necessary things won't even work on a tablet. The smartphone is the most amazing futuristic device I dreamed about that has evolved into a distopian nightmare.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

It is only dystopian because we have not taken back the power to control our devices. We of course need some serious privacy laws to allow this to happen. Right now is the defining moment for the 21st century. Will we take control of our technology or be enslaved by it?

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't see smartphones being better unless they are completely different. Since its basically iphone and an iphone mimic and its just the way the whole ecosystems are built. Like you can install a free smartphone os but you will not be able to do things with it at the same level as someone without one as far as corps and stuff.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

It drives me nuts how our economic system is making not having a cell phone increasingly difficult.

that's by design. why you do you think the US government allows corporate interests to take such a high position above American citizens? it's not just only because of corruption, it's because one hand washes the other.

The smartphone is the most amazing futuristic device I dreamed about that has evolved into a distopian nightmare.

like all technology, it can be used in ways that you cannot even imagine.

instead of blocking advertising data, we should embrace it IMO.

imagine a world where users shove so much information at these tools that they can't even tell what's real or not. camouflage works better when everyone participates.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 hours ago

instead of blocking advertising data, we should embrace it IMO.

imagine a world where users shove so much information at these tools that they can't even tell what's real or not. camouflage works better when everyone participates.

There's an ad blocker that does exactly this. Called Ad Nauseam. Chrome blocked it from their store super fast, then blocked it from being installed in Chrome from 3rd party sites, then blocked known versions of it from being manually installed in developer mode. I used to run it set to a low percentage - if I "clicked" every ad they'd know to throw my data out, but if I click say 3% of them...

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 50 points 13 hours ago

This is nothing new. Did we already forget about the Snowden leaks?

[-] actually@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago

The leaks that 2% of the population got very excited about for a while, but try not to think much about? The leaks judged by many on the reputation of an obscure man living in Russia? Those leaks?

I trust my government and not things only nerds understand. Also they sound weird and made up and very scary ( said most of the people)

[-] isaaclw@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Maybe, I think people still "know" its going on, but they forget by the allure of our smart phones, so this is a good reminder.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

Why stop at phones? Practically every car made today has a 4g modem and gps module onboard.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Hard to connect these dots for most "normal" folks without feeling like a conspiracy nut. Appreciate this journalism.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 225 points 18 hours ago

This should be illegal. There is absolutely no good reason this should be available to anybody. It should also be considered unconstitutional; if one of those dots is a person, whether you directly know who the person is or not, it should violate the right to privacy and the right of illegal search and seizure — no questions asked.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

The solution is to subscribe to these services. Then create a website that offers real-time tracking information, freely to the public, of the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. Every Congressperson should have their location shown freely available to all in real time. You could call it "wheresmyrep.org" or similar. Literally all of them tracked like animals in real time, freely shown for any and all to see. Let them live in the fish bowl they've created for us all.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Although we already know what would likely happen if someone did that. It would just be made illegal to track the locations of congresspeople (and only congresspeople), like it was made illegal to do so during the BLM protests.

[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Just like how the moment their videotape rental history was exposed, that was when privacy became an absolute must in the case of video rental services.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

We’re kind of seeing that with those private jet trackers. But that’s not changing anything except getting those accounts banned from social media.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

I think those just need to move to have their own independent sites instead of basing their operations on social media. Ultimately what they're doing is entirely legal, but it's way too easy for some asshat billionaire to pull some strings to get them pulled from a platform.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 91 points 17 hours ago

You are right. And you're fighting against the credit reporting agencies and google, facebook, apple, and all car manufacturers for privacy rights.

This is the result of jurists and legislators who don't understand a single goddamned thing about computers in 2024. For fuck's sake it's been thirty goddamned years since this was obviously going to happen. Take a class, you bastards! Those of you who aren't Heritage Foundation fascists.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 10 hours ago

I'm convinced that a good number of legislators understand the implications of this stuff on a cursory level, but are convinced (read: bribed) to not care on the "condition" that it doesn't apply to them or their families. They are beholden to their constituents, and their constituents aren't you and me, as we can't afford them.

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[-] ntma@lemm.ee 11 points 11 hours ago

Whatever happened to that Edward Snowden loser?

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 17 points 10 hours ago

~~loser~~ hero

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Became a Russian house cat

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Archive: https://archive.ph/bSrZR

tl;dr: It's basically a MAID attack, along with the usual suspects of social media, navigation, and weather apps.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago

Thank you for this, I had to scroll down so far to find a subscription-wall free link. Makes me wonder if anyone actually checked the article...

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

this combined with the whole "your pager/phone is now a bomb" texture that the IDF decided to add into the mix should make for interesting times.

soon you will be the drone.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

That required special assembly. It was not a hack blowing up commercial batteries. That's not a possible thing. They gave Hezbollah pagers and radios with explosives built in.

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