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submitted 1 year ago by otter@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world

Privacy advocates got access to Locate X, a phone tracking tool which multiple U.S. agencies have bought access to, and showed me and other journalists exactly what it was capable of. Tracking a phone from one state to another to an abortion clinic. Multiple places of worship. A school. Following a likely juror to a residence. And all of this tracking is possible without a warrant, and instead just a few clicks of a mouse.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 264 points 1 year ago

This should be illegal. There is absolutely no good reason this should be available to anybody. It should also be considered unconstitutional; if one of those dots is a person, whether you directly know who the person is or not, it should violate the right to privacy and the right of illegal search and seizure — no questions asked.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago

You are right. And you're fighting against the credit reporting agencies and google, facebook, apple, and all car manufacturers for privacy rights.

This is the result of jurists and legislators who don't understand a single goddamned thing about computers in 2024. For fuck's sake it's been thirty goddamned years since this was obviously going to happen. Take a class, you bastards! Those of you who aren't Heritage Foundation fascists.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 54 points 1 year ago

It's not getting better either: https://futurism.com/the-byte/gen-z-kids-file-systems

There seems to have been a short window of maybe two decades in the 80s and 90s when computers and the Internet were becoming household staples where almost everyone who grew up in that time period knows what's up, while everyone who didn't is way more ignorant. The older folks are lost because they didn't grow up with computers. The younger kids are lost because they were born into a world of advanced UIs, "plug and play", and software that heavily obfuscates the nitty gritty details of how it works.

Being forced to run command line installers, edit config.sys files, set DIP switches correctly for your front side bus speed and messing with IRQ settings for your sound card and such just to play a computer game will definitely teach you a thing or two. My family's PC came with not only an instruction manual, but an entire language reference for the built in GW-Basic interpreter. Nowadays, you get a laptop with a small pamphlet showing you how to plug it in and turn it on.

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The solution is to subscribe to these services. Then create a website that offers real-time tracking information, freely to the public, of the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. Every Congressperson should have their location shown freely available to all in real time. You could call it "wheresmyrep.org" or similar. Literally all of them tracked like animals in real time, freely shown for any and all to see. Let them live in the fish bowl they've created for us all.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

Start tracking politician phones. Oh look who paid a visit to the lobbyist house this week! That shit will get shut down real quick.

[-] bamfic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago
[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you don't want to be tracked illegally, don't bring your phone.

If you don't want any to be tracked legally, write/call/tweet/visit your representatives.

edit: responded to the wrong comment

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 58 points 1 year ago

This is nothing new. Did we already forget about the Snowden leaks?

[-] actually@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

The leaks that 2% of the population got very excited about for a while, but try not to think much about? The leaks judged by many on the reputation of an obscure man living in Russia? Those leaks?

I trust my government and not things only nerds understand. Also they sound weird and made up and very scary ( said most of the people)

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 year ago

a device that constantly connects to antennas all over the place, is used to track your location.

who would have thought?

if you dont wanna get tracked - dont bring your phone.

[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 34 points 1 year ago

If you don't want to be tracked illegally, don't bring your phone.

If you don't want any to be tracked legally, write/call/tweet/visit your representatives.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Also just write your Supreme Court and ask them how this isn’t a flagrant violation of the intent of the fourth amendment. Seriously the founding fathers would be asking what the fuck about this. They weren’t good people but they would’ve been privacy nuts.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if you're talking about the supreme court, as in the SCOTUS, they're long past pretending they give the slightest fuck about the bill of rights.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or, you know, let the gov work for you, not against you, & fully expect people to get jailed if they track you.

It's a matter of perspective what the minimum standard should be.

Especially when a personal device like a phone is basically necessary for a normal life and even public services.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Or we could get rights protecting us from this. Especially considering that that’s a reasonable interpretation of the fourth amendment and the ninth amendment.

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[-] egrets@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The EFF have a bit more general information about location data brokers. Well worth a read.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

How is this not a warrantless search?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

It is, but the USA hasn't cared since Snowden.

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[-] capital@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Don't bring your phone.

Get a burner and set up call forwarding.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

burner goes from your house, to abortion clinic, to your office, back to your house

Hmm, must be someone else, I don't recognize this number

-The Government

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

Then how you gonna take a selfie in the bed?

Seriously tho, people need phones for everything, including their calendar and map and communication with their partner.

Not bringing a phone isn't an option

[-] basmati@lemmus.org 12 points 1 year ago

There are alternatives to all of that. If you're going to do potentially illegal acts, and you don't want to rot in jail for the next however many decades until a scotus exists to set you free, take basic operational security into account and don't bring the corporate tracking device that cops can freely tap into.

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Archive: https://archive.ph/bSrZR

tl;dr: It's basically a MAID attack, along with the usual suspects of social media, navigation, and weather apps.

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this combined with the whole "your pager/phone is now a bomb" texture that the IDF decided to add into the mix should make for interesting times.

soon you will be the drone.

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[-] Waldowal@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Some additional info based on their published material (screenshot below). The software gets its data from "publicly available sources" which includes tracking information from many different online advertisers, public social media posts, etc. As we know, the advertising data can sometimes have your personal info attached - sometimes not. Babel Street claims to anonymize the data, but let's assume there is a $$ amount at which they won't.

So, theoretically, if you can successfully avoid ad trackers, and you don't post on social media platforms except where you want to be "seen", you can avoid this tracking (granted that seems quite impossible these days).

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[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Apple and Google can fix the problem. Apps are required to ask for permission to access location information. Most of the time, it's for tracking and analytics, not anything related to the app's functionality. That's the data that is leaking to these data brokers.

In those cases, if asked, user can say no, but apps keep haranguing you until you capitulate.

Instead, the OS could add a button that says: "Yes, but randomize." After that, location data is returned as normal, but from totally random locations nearby. They could even spoof the data clustering algorithms and just pick some rando location and keep showing returns to them, or just trade the data from one random phone for another every N days.

You do this enough and the data will become polluted enough to become useless.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Apple and Google want to sell that data, they're not going to help you obscure it.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

🤯imagine how much they spent only to to terrorise women

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Time for an alternative means of communication

[-] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

This is not new and it has previously been used against anti-abortion activists, tracking locations and even being used to record religious confessions. People on both sides of the abortion issue can oppose this type of monitoring.

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