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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to c/workreform@lemmy.world

Bandai Namco has reportedly turned to the unspoken Japanese tradition of layoff-by-boredom by stuffing unwanted employees into oidashi beya, or "expulsion rooms."

Employees ~~banished~~ reassigned to oidashi beya are left to do nothing, or given menial tasks at best. According to Bloomberg's unnamed insider sources, Bandai Namco has moved around 200 of its 1,300 person team to these rooms in recent months.

The goal of sticking someone in an expulsion room is to literally bore or shame them into quitting, and Bloomberg's sources claim it has worked on around half the people Bandai Namco has stuck in there so far.

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[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

If I'm still getting paid from this with little to no task to do. That seems like an ideal job to me. Even better away from people.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

The Japanese are one of the few countries worthy of even more pity than us Americans when it comes to slaving for and being defined by their vocation.

I agree with you completely, but people who don't play the meaningless game of career trajectory are literally shunned by family there for it.

[-] Hector@lemmy.ca 26 points 17 hours ago

To skirt Canadian employment laws, a previous employer gave me unrealistic targets and even when I acheived them she would say I'm underperforming. This exists in every country. Employers will always find a way to make it look like the employee quit of their own volition.

Sounds a lot like Amazon. Hope you're doing better now.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 16 hours ago

I think I would be resentful enough to tough it out for a while and try to force their hand, but I might be giving myself too much credit. I'm pretty rebellious toward authority and would want to jam a thumb in their eye (metaphorically).

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

I'd be watching Twitch all day. These guys are dumb.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

In the immortal words of that dumbo from Blizz "do you guys not have phones?"

If you leave me in a room and give me no tasks while still paying me, you've got me on salary to slack. And I will outperform everyone. Or no one, I'm not sure which one.

And honestly figuring that out is probably not in my job description anymore.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

Seems nice at first, but having worked jobs with nothing to do, time passes so slow. It’s painful.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago

Pick up a hobby, read a book. Not sure how Japan or other countries are living, but one thing we still have in the USA are public libraries. We can download an app and check out books. For free. There is a lot more stuff at the actual library, but downloading books and reading them for money sounds like something I can retire doing. I take book reading days at my current job. As long as I put in "8 hours" of work they don't care how I spend my 8 hours.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Yup. I used to work at a toy store in my local mall that was just not doing business. Anytime I worked, I'd get maybe 5 customers a shift, and these were like 10-6 shifts.

I was so bored I felt like I could cry just to pass the time. There were a couple times where I straight up took a nap behind the counter because I was so tired and bored.

[-] babybus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 20 hours ago

Yep. There is a reason why "layoff-by-boredom" exists and works. It's uncomfortable for most us to be bored.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 10 points 22 hours ago

I'd take slow and nothing to do over getting worked to the bone daily every time, I've had both. I have an active imagination, I manage.

[-] babybus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 20 hours ago

You don't have to choose between the two evils though. There are just normal jobs.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Time to work on my screenplay/book/stand-up routine/music!

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

I think we're misunderstanding the rooms here. Everyone in the comments is saying "ooooh, I'd love that!" But imagine, the company gives you a tough but manageable quota of lines to write out by hand from the dictionary. Every day, 8 hours of writing. No phone, no music, no talking, no distractions, just quietly writing.

For anyone with a decent salaried job, that sounds horrible.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

As a software developer writing out lines from the dictionary isn't part of my job description... they'd be violating my employment contract.

Bosses can't just demand you do something... your work needs to be stuff you agreed to do.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

You probably have another duties ad required clause somewhere. If not, fine one dev to another, asking for hundreds of shitty useless QA tests. Same stupidity but if they can demonstrate a reasonable employee should finish X in Y time...

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 8 points 18 hours ago

useless QA tests

As a QA professional, I take exception to that!

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago

If you get into a situation like this please reach out to a labor lawyer - it's extremely likely that you could make a case for constructive dismissal.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago

so don't make your quota.

what are they going to do, fire you?

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly! You accidentally hit the nail on the head here.

The goal of the company is to get rid of employees. But they have permanent hire, so the bosses can't simply fire them without cause (and the bar for cause is very high in Japan). They want employees to quit, or they want employees to clearly fail to perform their duties.

What the employees want is to keep doing decent work at that company, probably until they retire at age 65. Permanent hire is highly treasured, for good reason. The reason permanent hire exists, and is so widespread as required by law, is that Japan values employee well-being more than it values the bosses' well-being. It's hard to get a big loan (for a house or apartment) if you don't have permanent hire. It's hard to get a high-paying job that doesn't have permanent hire. Many companies will not give you good positions if you're over the age of 35, too, which makes changing employers in your 40s-60s very challenging.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

not an accident.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Responded before but if you don't hit the quota, they can probably fire you for cause (removing the severance, maybe pension etc.)

It's why all the back to office mandates sorta work (in terms of reducing headcount) you can't just show up and do nothing. If thr company can prove you're doing nothing, you can probably be terminated for cause. Happened to guys I know in a public, govt funded job with the reason as, iirc "time theft" and the union didn't really fight for them because the evidence was pretty damning that they hadn't done fuck all most mornings.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

For anyone it's horrible. Making someone do monotonous unproductive work is a form of torture. Just look at Sisyphus.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, Camus argued he could at least find satisfaction/meaning in rolling that damned rock. (As part of his "why committing suicide is bad" essay, I think called the Myth of Sisyphus.)

[-] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 4 points 1 day ago

I would start to suspect my employers of bank robbery.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Heck, now I just want to read this before understanding the joke. Be warned, you're going to get a message in some months thanking you for the reference.

[-] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 day ago

I would say managment should be individually fined by safe work commission for creating an unsafe work environment. But considering Japans long history of mental health issues and work, im unfortunately not expecting much.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

In the past, many employees have won wrongful termination lawsuits for this type of behavior. In Japan, employers have a legal duty to give their employees some kind of work.

(The authors were lazy here. This is not a secret thing.)

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

It could potentially fall under power harassment rules depending upon the implementation, though I assume a company of any size would have their lawyers look over things first. People do successfully fight power harassment, especially in more recent times.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh thank god. Just when I thought the eastern games industry was mostly insulated from the massive layoffs plaguing the industry, Bandai Namco is here to let me down! Still in such a creative and batshit insane way, but very clearly the same kind of corporate fuck-up effecting the western industry.

[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago

Eastern work culture is often times boss level of toxic, but it's very hidden and subtle compared to western.

[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

This would in no way shape or form work on me. In fact, I want to get a job in Japan now so they can do this to me and it would be the greatest thing ever

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Make this position remote and I'll volunteer in a heartbeat. You'll never get me to quit.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago

This would work on me. I genuinely have less job satisfaction when things are slow and boring...

[-] lung@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Free pay to do whatever you want online, while waiting for them to give you severance / unemployment? Sounds dope, no wonder American companies don't do this. Americans have no shame

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

You don't get to do whatever you want. You sit in a small room and sort small pieces of paper into two piles. Then you mix them up and do it again. Then you go home until you come back and do it again for eight hours. For five days a week. Same paper. Two piles.

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