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Fuck yeah! I'll say the same thing to white voters. And black voters. And Hispanic voters. And Asian voters. And Never-Trump Republicans. And...
Black celebrities have been poisoning the community against Obama for over a decade now. Parading him around as the "token black guy" of the liberal movement isn't the move. Making policies that help the community, and actually getting them passed, is what will make the difference. Until the Democrats start actually giving a shit about black people, instead of virtue signalling, then the black voter doesn't have any reason to vote. No one is on their side. Will Kamala change that? Honestly, probably not. Tim Walz has a better chance of that.
Making policies that help the community, and actually getting them passed, is what will make the difference.
We can't pass any policy anywhere in the country without bipartisan support and the blessing of the courts. Since the Republicans are in opposition and the courts are stacked with cranks, that means the best we can promise is that one day we'll have a Democrat Supermajority capable of passing compromise legislation with its more right-wing members.
Sorry, but these are just the rules, which are immutable and which we must abide by no matter how much pain they cause to our constituents.
Also, please note that conservatives are fully unbound by these rules. They can and will inflict incalculable harm on you if any single branch is in their control. There is, unfortunately, nothing liberals can do about this because interrupting the harm caused by the rules-breakers would be against the rules.
So the message we need to bring to black voters is that they only have themselves to blame if things get worse. It's cake or death and we're all out of cake.
No one is on their side. Will Kamala change that? Honestly, probably not. Tim Walz has a better chance of that.
Glances at Walz's record during the Minnesota BLM protests
Oof. I would not bank on it.
The answer when facing opposition isn't to throw up your hands and declare it too difficult. Keep pushing, keep fighting, keep trying to improve the lives of marginalized groups. The fact that the Democrats aren't willing to put in the effort is all you need to know for the lackluster support.
Side note, don't fucking blame marginalized people when things go sideways.
The answer when facing opposition isn’t to throw up your hands and declare it too difficult. Keep pushing
That is, unfortunately, not the message that modern liberals seem to adhere to.
Side note, don’t fucking blame marginalized people when things go sideways.
But it's the American Way.
Liberals know voters want to hear the message 'vote for me and I will fix the problems'.
They know voters would be turned off by the more accurate message: vote for me and we can turn the steering wheel of this massive machine slightly left for 4 years, and if we keep that up for a few cycles we can eventually solve the problems.
They know voters would be turned off by the more accurate message: vote for me and we can turn the steering wheel of this massive machine slightly left for 4 years
That's exactly the message they've been running on since 2008.
Obama's "the long arc of history bends towards progress" speech was this practically verbatium. And it was popular precisely because it was seen as modest and achievable. The problem is that Obama didn't achieve it. He spent eight years treading water from the Bush Era, during which he normalized a bunch of the illegal, unconscionable, and ultimately detrimental practices of the Bush Administration before handing the reins over to... Donald Trump.
History didn't bend towards progress. It whipped directly back in the face of those enthusiastic moderates. But the only lesson it appears to have taught them is that even Obama was too ambitious and too extreme, despite bending over backwards to appease moderate Republicans. So Biden stepped in as an even more conservative version of Obama. Two years into office, he too gets hit with a backlash, which the party took to conclude they were too radical under Biden.
Now we've got Harris, a candidate who has fallen fully in line with the Cheney family on litany of domestic and foreign policy issues. Will this turn voters off? Will it prove that the Cheneys are too left-wing for the American voter? Only time will tell.
Biden stepped in as an even more conservative version of Obama. Two years into office, he too gets hit with a backlash, which the party took to conclude they were too radical under Biden.
Biden has been firmly left of Obama on economics, environmental, and foreign policy.
What makes you say Biden has been more conservative? What aspects specifically
Biden has been firmly left of Obama
He campaigned by co-opting a number of Bernie's platforms in 2020 and immediately abandoned them on taking office.
What makes you say Biden has been more conservative?
He cut back a bunch of progressive social programs on the back end of COVID, then ratcheted up military and police spending and sent big financial kickbacks to a bunch of morbund corporate interests. His DOJ has fixated on drug crime and immigration crime, while going nearly blind to financial crime and civil rights abuses. O&G drilling surged on his watch, particularly on public lands. He's been steadily privatizing everything from the post office to the space program.
Dude's to the right of Ronald Reagan.
Okay and he's also done:
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Climate and Environmental Policies: Biden's administration has pushed for significant investments in renewable energy and environmental justice, including provisions in the CHIPS Act for climate responsibility plans[1][4].
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Social Equity Initiatives: Executive Order 13985 aimed at advancing racial equity reflects a focus on equal outcomes, aligning with progressive principles[1].
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Healthcare and Social Programs: Biden supports expanding healthcare access through a public option and has backed student loan forgiveness, both progressive stances[2].
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Labor and Economic Policies: The administration expanded overtime pay and introduced consumer protections against discriminatory practices, aligning with leftist economic reforms[4].
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Gun Control Measures: Biden enacted significant gun safety legislation and established the Office of Gun Violence Prevention, advocating for stricter gun control[3].
Citations: [1] Funding Leftism, Making Power Grabs: The Biden Administration's ... https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/funding-leftism-making-power-grabs-the-biden-administrations [2] Political positions of Joe Biden - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden [3] Joe Biden political stances: Where he stands in 2024 - NewsNation https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/joe-biden-political-views-2024/ [4] 30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046 [5] Democracy Policy Under Biden: Confronting a Changed World https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/02/democracy-policy-under-biden-confronting-a-changed-world [6] Opinion | Biden's Democratic Party is to the left of Obama's. Thank a ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/13/why-progressives-winning-inside-democratic-party/ [7] Joe Biden's surprisingly progressive agenda - Vox https://www.vox.com/21322478/joe-biden-overton-window-bidenism [8] Here's what Biden and Democrats have gotten done over the last 2 ... https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats
My guy, how do you post links to the fucking Heritage Foundation and the Carnegie Endowment with a straight face?
Environmental Radicalism. In a similar vein, Executive Order 14008 claims that America must achieve “significant short-term global reductions in greenhouse gas emissions and net-zero global emissions by mid-century or before.” This approach to “climate change” and “environmental justice” will impose tens of trillions of dollars in costs on the economy, with much of the burden falling on the poor, farmers, and small businesses, lowering the standard of living for all Americans, with negligible environmental benefits.
Debasing Science. Not every government-spanning initiative by the Biden Administration has required an executive order. A memorandum from the Office of Science and Technology Policy and the White House Council on Environmental Quality in November 2022 called on the federal government to use Indigenous Knowledge (IK), which is associated with tribal communities and cultures
This isn't evidence, its a right-wing screed.
Pretty sure they used an llm and didn't bother to review it
Edit: like I did in response, but at least mine is customized to my style and positions, and cites better sources
Climate and Environmental Policies
Biden's climate initiatives, such as the CHIPS Act and Justice40, are insufficient. They rely heavily on market-based solutions like tax credits and incentives, which fail to challenge the power of fossil fuel industries or enforce stringent regulations necessary for rapid decarbonization. The slow implementation and lack of aggressive action on carbon removal and methane reduction highlight a reluctance to confront corporate interests directly (McCarthy, 2023; Hsu, 2023).
Social Equity Initiatives
Executive Order 13985 focuses on equal outcomes but does not address systemic issues that perpetuate inequality. This approach lacks a transformative vision to dismantle entrenched structures of racism and economic disparity. True social equity requires redistributive policies that go beyond symbolic gestures and tackle wealth inequality, housing, and education access head-on (Gordon, 2021; Alexander, 2021).
Healthcare and Social Programs
Biden's healthcare policies, including the proposed public option, fall short of the comprehensive reform needed. They maintain the dominance of private insurance companies instead of moving towards a universal single-payer system that guarantees healthcare as a human right. Similarly, student loan forgiveness initiatives are piecemeal solutions that do not address the root problem of skyrocketing education costs driven by profit motives in higher education (Klein, 2021; Friedman, 2021).
Labor and Economic Policies
While expanding overtime pay and consumer protections are steps in the right direction, they do not fundamentally alter the power dynamics between labor and capital. These measures fail to address wage stagnation, job insecurity, and the erosion of union power. A better approach would prioritize empowering workers through stronger labor rights, collective bargaining, and significant wealth redistribution (Bivens, 2022; Jacobs, 2022).
Gun Control Measures
Biden's gun safety legislation is inadequate in addressing the systemic causes of gun violence. It focuses on moderate reforms like background checks without challenging the influence of the gun lobby or addressing deeper issues such as economic inequality and lack of community resources. A more appropriate approach would involve investments in mental health services and community-led violence prevention programs (Miller, 2021; Vanneman, 2021).
References
- Alexander, M. (2021). The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness. The New Press.
- Bivens, J. (2022). "The State of Labor in America." Economic Policy Institute.
- Friedman, Z. (2021). "Biden’s Student Loan Forgiveness Is Not Enough." Forbes.
- Gordon, A. (2021). "Racial Equity and Systemic Change." Brookings Institution.
- Hsu, S. (2023). "The Challenges of Biden's Climate Agenda." The New York Times.
- Jacobs, K. (2022). "Labor Rights in America: A Historical Perspective." Jacobin Magazine.
- Klein, E. (2021). "Why Biden's Healthcare Plan Falls Short." Health Affairs.
- McCarthy, J. (2023). "Biden’s Climate Policy: A Mixed Bag." The Guardian.
- Miller, M. (2021). "Gun Control Legislation: What’s Missing?" The Washington Post.
- Vanneman, R. (2021). "Understanding Gun Violence: A Community Approach." Vox.
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No one to blame but themselves? That's a great message.
"Hey, you've been marginalized your entire life by a system that has hated every generation of your family because of the color of your skin. I've got news for you, bucko, fix my problems, or I'll just keep blaming you."
So the message we need to bring to black voters is that they only have themselves to blame if things get worse. It’s cake or death and we’re all out of cake.
Is that sarcasm...? Honestly, I can't tell.
If it's earnest, then i would have to guess that what you're after isn't electoral victory but radicalization. I'm not sure how you expect to tell a marginalized minority 'you have only yourself to blame' and have them turn out for you, that's just... Hopeless?
It's an excellent message to turn progressives into anarchists and revolutionaries, though, and I'm actually kind of here for it.
And talking down to them like the plantation master isn't gonna get those votes
So who you gonna vote for? Or you gonna sit on your ass and let the angry betrayed women carry the whole load?
When people interpet your intent to vote for someone as an endorsement, but the candidate is un-endorseable, the only reasonable response to this question is "none of your fucking business"
Okay keep your endorsement to yourself but look around at all the women who Trump and McConnell raped by packing the Court and remember, it was voters who "just couldn't quite trust Hillary" who made that happen. Nobody will ever be good enough for you, so you would rather we fall to the Nazis.
Hillary lost because she openly mocked and derided the people she needed to vote for her, marginalized people who had real needs that weren't being met by her policy proposals and who were urging her to take more progressive stances.
so you would rather we fall to the Nazis
Better to fall to the nazis fighting them than welcome them to the table. Fuck the Cheney's, and fuck the democrats for proudly welcoming them into their coalition and then condescending to voters who rightfully see them as war-mongering demons.
Democrats will lose if they keep daring people not to vote for them rather than addressing the interests of their constituents. It is the single worst campaign strategy I've ever seen, and it amazes me that it isn't even the first time they've decided to fuck themselves in the ass with it.
I heard a commentator yesterday state: "Democrats can not fail; they can only "be failed" by their voters."
Its always "the voters" who are to blame when Democrats fail. I'm not interested in voting for the party of Cheney; I'm not interested in voting for a pro-genocide party. And maybe I'll be able to suck it up enough to as so many would have you believe, "do the right thing", as if voting for a pro-genoicde, pro-buisness, now also neo-conservative party is really that. But what really matters is that there are people far more who are better than I, who simply won't vote in favor of a genocide. But yeah Obama. Keep telling the voters its their fault.
Democrats will tell you that nothing can change in FPTP voting, and in then spend 100% of their time every 2 years directing their efforts towards a FPTP election system.
I swear to god, electoralism is sisyphus' fucking boulder, and libs are completely convinced that if they push that damned thing up the mountain just a few more times they'll finally escape the task
Democrats are directly responsible for 3 of the current conservative justices that took away women's rights. Hillary's hubris and arrogance caused her to lose.
And here I thought it was not having the needed amount of votes that caused her to lose.
I’m sick of people blaming Hillary‘s campaign for all the horrible shit that ensued afterwards. Candidates campaign because it is in their best interest to do so, but at the end of the day, this is our government. It’s our job as citizens to educate ourselves on the candidates, the voting system, and the stakes of the election. We should be figuring out who best to vote for, whether they are good at campaigning or not.
So, while Hillary might have won with a better campaign, the blame for Trump getting into power firmly rests with the voting public. We knew what kind of person Trump was before he was elected, and we knew there was a vacant Supreme Court seat.
Don’t blame it on the fact that people weren’t manipulated well enough by a giant ad campaign.
This race is practically a replay of 2016.
With none of the benefit of hindsight, it seems.
The Local War Criminal lectures the community he rarely interacts with in good faith.
Well technically those were Harris's staffers. So at least they got paid for the abuse.
Art least he recognizes the threat the GOP poses for his daughters. Who are you voting for?
Being part of the moneyed class, no laws are applicable to his daughters. If they want to get an abortion, they can get an abortion.
It doesn't matter who I vote for my state is basically going to Trump dems dipped out long ago. If I gave Harris my support she isn't winning here.
Not with that attitude
Dems had 4 years to prepare and engage voters here. They were on video dancing with the GOP and people kinda moved on.
They've had 50 years to engage with voters. Their only engagement with us is when they need money.
As i said, the only reasonable response to this "none of your fucking business"
Obama still proving black men can be as racist as whites.
Why not? We sat out the primaries when Biden stepped down.
Not really. We had already elected delegates and those same delegates cast their votes.
We also voted for Biden-Harris knowing that Harris was backup in case anything happened to Biden
(Disclaimer, am PoC but not Black)
Incumbent candidates almost never get primaried. Get some ointment and stop being butt hurt about it.
Sure I agree people voted Biden/Harris, and ill vote for the best choice but I at least would like the choice. That is the only bad taste in mouth.
Are these things the same?
No buddy Biden stepped down. There should have been emergency primaries, Harris would have won but I enjoy the illusion of choice.
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