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[-] JTskulk@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago

Eww extremely embarrassing that they used Windows.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 31 points 14 hours ago

pull a WordPress and force a TOS in the license to say you cannot be affiliated with Nintendo in any way in order to use this software.

they want to emulate their hardware? then they can build their own emulator.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 6 points 10 hours ago

I believe they do have their own emulator. It logically would be what powers the Nintendo arcade

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

folks thought the same for the Genesis and Atari flashbacks but some tinkering found they were using FOSS emulation. IMO FOSS projects should start charging companies that use their products dependent on scale.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 6 points 8 hours ago

Agreed I would totally support emus using a business software license just because of how they're treated by business.

[-] doctortran@lemm.ee 56 points 17 hours ago

Just for the record, this is exactly what any museum would do, because they're not going to actually run any of the older hardware. Because that hardware is part of their collection, and it behoves them not to put wear on them.

Also because emulators can be managed remotely.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 41 points 14 hours ago

Any other museum wouldn't be a hypocrite for doing so.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

This is a "Museum" run by Nintendo in Japan. Meaning they could have used or even created more original hardware to run the titles, but instead cut costs by using the same Emulators that they're hoping to take down.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Them being the original creator of the products doesn't necessarily imply that they still have running production processes for every product that they ever made.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

If I obtain all the original schematics and software and make 1 Nintendo internals for commercial purposes wothout their permission it would be illegal.

If they do it, it costs them the price of a couple of family dinners at most.

This museum IS NINTENDO. They are the only people allowed to do this job correctly.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 21 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

That is highly depending on the type of Museum. Many Videogame and Computer Museums (at least in Germany) are showing the real Hardware running, some are even allowing the visitors to use and play at the old machines. And yes, they are often very used to repairing the hardware too.

I would expect from Nintendo that they would show and use real hardware in their museum, and not some emulators. Because I can see the games on an emulator at home (for example using my Switch Online or my SNES Classic), I don't need a museum for that experience.

[-] cryptiod137@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I know to be a certified museum in the US, you must work to preserve your articles in perpetuity, meaning anything that could be detrimental to the article is discouraged if not totally disallowed.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 9 points 13 hours ago

They're fucking Nintendo. They made the consoles they're showing off in their museum. They absolutely have the ability to supply that museum with equipment and maintain it in perpetuity, because they fucking invented it

[-] cryptiod137@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

That's not the point of it though. Not about whether you could fix or maintain it when operating it, it's about not operating it if presents a notable risk of failure. The Smithsonian doesn't start grinding cornmeal in a bowl from the Mississippians. The Connecticut Museum doesn't take it's colt rifles out the range for target practice. These organizations would use a replica to demonstrate what it was like, as opposed to risking damaging an original article.

Thats also not even necessary true either. While they may have invented there various consoles, at some point it will be nearly impossible to acquire replacement parts. They don't manufacture the ICs or mainboards or the various discreet components. So if there's no old stock, how would they "fix" a broken N64 (or later) console? It might be theoretically possible to fab a NEC VR4300 to replace a dead one, but probably cost hundreds of thousands, and it wouldn't be broken anyway if you hadn't left if running 16 hours a day so some sweaty tourists could play on real hardware.

And why would they? It would cost more, be more work, and have less reliable results than using a completely replacable computer running an emulator. The entire consumer facing side of the equation is worse if they run the games on the actual hardware, as long as the consumer doesn't see it, which is really down to how they design the exhibit.

Do you think the public is understanding enough to accept that "The NES is really old and it broke so you can't play super mario bros today", when it's the only day you are gonna be there? Temper tantrum, bad reviews, loss of face. From what I understand, Japan actually cares about all that, so Nintendo probably does as well.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago

They could replace all the parts in a SNES or NES with components indefinitely, because inside are either off the shelf components or specifically made components made after schematics from Nintendo. So even if nobody makes such parts anymore at the moment there is nothing (but time and money) that would stop Nintendo to order new parts based on their schematics.

Most issues with old consoles can even be fixed by hobbyists and if they can't that's because they don't have access to the needed information to create new versions of the tailor made components.

So there should be no issue for Nintendo to supply their museum with replicas forever. Yes it would cost way more money then using Emulators, but it would be way more appropriate for their own museum. But no they have chosen the lazy route.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 6 points 14 hours ago

Unless they store everything in high vacuum and near absolute zero, it's going to get oxidized and fail eventually. There is no such thing as perpetuity. Might as well give them some use.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Your body is going to fail eventually, so you might as well stop brushing your teeth and start drinking scotch at breakfast. /s

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago

More like I rather enjoy it while it lasts instead of going into a fridge to preserve it ;P

[-] cryptiod137@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

You really think an old parchment document would survive being in a high vacuum and near absolute zero?

Yeah sure, nothing lasts forever, but the really not the point. Your goal is to attempt to preserve your articles forever.

Are you going to fall short? Absolutely, but your still required to attempt to do so. So you avoid doing anything directly harmful, such as operating an old computer, firing an old cannon, or diving an old car.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 5 points 14 hours ago

Ok that is not the case in Germany, here you can have items multiple times, to have some to archive and some to use.

I can see that the preservation aspect is very valid for highly rare or one of a kind items, but that is generally not the case with retro hardware. Yes there are examples for that too (like C65 or other prototype stuff) but nobody would expect a museum to put that to use.

[-] cryptiod137@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That's the case... For now.

No one would have cared to preserve a Mosin Nagant from 1892 when they were making 500,000 of them, why would they? You can just go and buy more, the factory is right over there. Fast forward 132 years later, they are scarce antiques. And in another 100 years, there may only be a dozen left.

The entire field of computers as we know it, integrated circuits, is about half as old as that particular rifle, and the technology has changed so fast, it's really crazy.

So while it might seem like that's reasonable now, I mean the people who designed those systems are often still alive, even still working. Of course we can still fix and use them.

Now give it 60 or so years, your sitting around in you retirement community, sad you lost the auction for a 2003 eMachines tower PC with all the stickers still attached, kicking yourself about how you tossed one out back in the day.

At least you kept your Atari Jaguar, kept in a hermetically sealed container, that managed to save when you had to evacuate from the 2nd Finnish-Korean Hyperwar.

Edit: Abominable spelling

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 6 points 14 hours ago

Even if they don't use the real old hardware then at least they could have created something that is closer to the original hardware, for example a SNES/NES/N64 console based on FPGA in a recreated original shell. Anything but a stupid emulator running on a Windows PC.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago

if its under GPL couldn't they be forced to disclose the source code?

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago

Only if they made modifications

[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 hours ago

What, where do you get that? Any publicly conveyed copies of gpl-licensed software must make their source code available, and be published under the same license. This is true regardless of modifications.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

I could be wrong and I'm more then welcome to being proven that. But wouldn't this be like asking me to redistribute the whole process of running ZSNES on linux? Seems pretty infeasible.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

ITT: people think emulators are only the ones you can download

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

In this comment: Someone who is not familiar with the history of Nintendo selling pirated versions of their own games and ripping off pirate emulators then passing them as their own.

[-] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

or the history of nintendo falsely claiming that emulation itself was an illegal practice when trying to bully and scare people into submission...

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago

Did the terms of the emulators they ripped off allow them to? Not saying it's morally okay.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 40 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Nintendo: Emulation is illegal, criminal, and you should never ever do it. If you do, we will sue your ass, send the Pinks, and then shit fury on you!!!

Also Nintendo:


Needless to say, I will not be buying an alarm clock today.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago

That's not at all Nintendo's philosophy.

They literally included emulation starting with the wii

So it is more of a rules for thee but not for me situation. Not you should never ever do it but you should only do it on our hardware with our emulators

[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

I mean, their position is that they as the rights holders can republish how they please, but that buying a cartridge does not give you license to play on other devices. You can disagree with them on legal or philosophical grounds but their position isn't really inconsistent.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 63 points 20 hours ago

I would not be at all surprised if the Switch NES and SNES emulators are running an open source emulator that they've tried to shut down.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago

Throwback to the NES Classic ROM having a ripper/uploader’s signature in the game code. Because Nintendo didn’t ever bother archiving their own games, and just downloaded ROMs from the same sites they were trying to shut down.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 12 points 18 hours ago

I would. They would have been found out already if it were the case, and they already proved they can develop their own emulators.

[-] drasglaf@sh.itjust.works 23 points 18 hours ago

They've been caught using ROMs downloaded from some ROMs download website, so it wouldn't be that surprising.

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[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 18 hours ago

I can see Nintendo shutting down his own museum for piratery.

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[-] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 233 points 1 day ago

You see...

It's okay when THEY do it.

It's not okay when YOU do it.

That's how they function.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 108 points 22 hours ago

Well yeah, as the owners they have the exclusive right to determine what's okay. They're just following the rules as they've been laid out by centuries of corporate lobbying for more exploitable copyright laws. Those are what we need to focus on if we want more fair use of intellectual property that the rights holder has already sufficiently profited from - the thing that such protections were initially meant to ensure to a much more reasonable extent.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

They aren't the owners of most of the games though, did they ask, in writing, all of the rightsholders for the games they made?

Did they ask the artists if it was ok to re-use their work in a 'new title'? (according to Nintendo, emulation is transformative)

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 77 points 1 day ago

I mean...

All of those mini consoles (NES mini, SNES mini) are already SOCs with an emulator.

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