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[-] menemen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That conflict is just 76 years old. Even the idology that caused the conflict ist just 130 years old. Before the British colonialism the region had almost no conflict since the crucades.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Another post that makes me further double down on voting 3rd party. It is because of this mentality that not enough people vote 3rd party to make a difference. Also, I refuse to reward genocide.

I would also like to add Trump being worse isn't a good argument because this administration has let israel do all it wants and given them every weapon and funding.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Imagine a scenario with multiple political parties competing to defeat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could choose any candidate they prefer, ensuring that even if their choice doesn’t win, their vote can still be counted against the republican party with no spoiler effect. Since voting methods are determined at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal changes; some states have already implemented electoral reform. Alaska recently picked a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin because of Ranked Choice voting

Who would oppose having multiple chances to take power from the Republican Party? The Democratic Party would. In states they control, they could replace First Past The Post voting with an electoral system without a spoiler effect. Yet year after year, election after election, the democrats sit on their hands and do nothing about FPTP voting.

Democrats frequently acknowledge the shortcomings of FPTP voting, and have done so for longer than I’ve been alive. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily express their awareness of the flaws in the voting system used by most states. Comments for articles about the Green Party will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.

The Democrats seem to prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. Party over country at all costs.

[-] boywar3@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Another day, another smattering of "leftists" in safe blue states trying to be armchair activists while folks in red states fight to not be hunted for sport by the ruling class.

I'm sure glad it's easy to hide behind "both parties bad" or whatever nonsense they come up with this time.

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 2 points 5 hours ago

Why should a bunch of middle eastern fight against your ruling class instead of you? Fix your goddamn country

[-] boywar3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

"Fix your goddamn country"

Ah yes, let me just snap my fingers and fix all the problems of where I live lol

[-] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Keep defending multimillionaire democrats as they allow the country to slide into fascism because, hey, they're slightly better than outright fascists. I'm sure the people being genocided in Gaza are happy to hear how privileged they are. It's okay, Harris will push for a gentler genocide than Trump.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

The best part:

Genocide in Gaza: "We must do something or we're responsible for every death!!!"

Genocide in Ukraine: "Ukraine should have just surrendered to Russia for peace and this would never have happened..."

It's clear where this is coming from, they're just the same useful idiots as Stalin had.

[-] boywar3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah...its so obviously bullshit, which sucks, because I agree it is terrible what is happening in Gaza, but these mouthbreathers don't seem to grasp that the world isn't an easily defined place and solutions aren't ever easy (inb4 I get one of them screaming "JuSt sToP vOtInG fOr ThEm" or whatever, lol).

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[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 20 points 19 hours ago

the funniest part about this post is that trump and kamala's statements here are functionally identical, differing only in the phrasing.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This is your brain on both sides kids. Don't do both sides.

Explain how 'kill anyone they want' and 'protect civilians' are even remotely the same.

Trump is advocating accelerationism. Kill em all and let $GOD sort it out.

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

"protect civilians" by providing unconditional support to Israel (this one is also funny, Israel is not protecting civilians, and are instead bombing hospitals, aid workers, journalists, expanding into Lebanon, etc etc)

"let Israel kill whoever they want" by providing unconditional support to Israel (we already let Israel kill whoever they want with no repercussions)

they are functionally the same (unconditional support to Israel), differing only in how they are phrased. one is uncouth and absurd, the other is the Pragmatic Adult In The Room, but they are both saying the same thing.

[-] Djtecha@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

Intent matters. I feel sorry for people like you that can't see that. If you want the entire area to be turned into glass then I guess vote trump. Go join the useless team of armchair undergrads and I hope you're happy when the death count skyrockets, you'll be on the winning team!

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[-] prole 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Holy shit these comments...

Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.

Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?

She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

There's also the fact that, despite what the tankies prefer, geopolitics is messy and the US loves oil. There is no way in hell Harris comes out before an election and signals to the powers that be that oil and securing a route through Palestinian territory for a pipeline is off the table.

[-] frengo@lemm.ee 13 points 20 hours ago

Do you really think the Biden administration is somehow preventing or limiting the ongoing genocide? Israel already have carte blanche. All i hear from Harris is empty words. Israel is already doing whatever they want, they're even firing on UN peacekeepers. Harris or Trump nothing is going to change. Israel will remain unpunished. Do you know how things can change? Pull the fucking plug. Turn your back on that nazi state, let them perish. Harris should focus on other problems because people with a functioning brain are not going to believe her bullshit. 40000 dead but their goal is to protect civilians but they sent 18B in military aid in one year. How can someone be fooled by that?

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 6 points 14 hours ago

Yup, you're right. Better give the most powerful county in the world a fascist president. That will fix things. Biden has been naughty and must be spanked at any cost.

[-] frengo@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

Nope, not what i said. On the Israel-Palestine issue Harris and Trump are the exact same. Harris should better focus on other issues bacause no one is going to be fooled by her words (hopefully).

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[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago

I don’t know who is driving the Gaza protest rhetoric. It’s a question that should be answered. Because the absolute anti-Democrats narrative while simultaneously getting extraordinarily butthurt if anyone points out the Trump/Republican stance (and the fact it’s Congress that votes the Israeli aid) is indicative of foreign-based propaganda that cares NOT AT ALL about Gaza. It’s about getting Trump re-elected. Either that or the people posting here and across social media calling this war a genocide are just plain stupid or really, really feel self-fulfilled by their own anger.

You wanna complain about an actual genocide, look up what’s happening in Sudan as we speak.

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 5 points 6 hours ago

Fix your goddamn country, jimmy. They just bombed an hospital with a two-tons US made bombs. You are the rogue state. I hope the people responsible are thrown in jail and die there.

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Half of the noise will be from Russian IP addresses, and the other half will be dumb dumbs parroting it.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The best part is the same people say the other genocide in Ukraine doesn't matter, and its their fault for not surrendering to Russia for peace.

So it really is curious where it's coming from.

[-] puppy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

If the US cares about democracy and human rights, they should support Palestine and Ukraine.

[-] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Former Seattle city council member actually wants to see Harris lose to trump. It's wild: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/at-seattle-rally-sawant-says-harris-deserves-to-lose-1000-times/

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