This is extremely misleading. Fuck Trump 10000 times and kamala is the only sane choice, but stop trying to paint over reality to try and make her look like she's not just a lesser evil.

She didn't just "not promise to solve 1000 year conflict" (which the genocide has been going on for the last 75 years),

she did promise to continue funding genocide with American taxpayer dollars. (Of which the US has been giving and average of $5 billion in tax dollars and weapons to Isreal per year for the last 75 years, since they first invaded Palestine).

We are voting for her because she is the lesser evil. We don't have to be happy about it or stop criticizing her on her bad policies.

Basically: Vote for Harris, but also fuck her for vowing to continue funding genocide. Trump would also keep funding genocide, and he'd also destroy what's left of the west, on top of every other obvious reason he should never be in power again (and never should have been).

Western settler-colonialism is not “a 1,000 year conflict.” It’s a modern imperialist project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

Nobody expects Kamala to solve it. They do expect her to stop supporting genocide.

Ah yes, opposing genocide is a radical far-left position. Of course.

"1000 year old conflict" is already Zionist propaganda.

Stop killing Palestinians is such a far left position man. I can't even. Americans are effing weird.

What 1000 year conflict? The nakba was less than a century ago. Plus "please stop giving 2000 pound bombs to Israel to commit a genocide with" is a very far cry from "please end the Israeli apartheid state".

First and foremost, this isn't a 1000 year war. It's a bit over 100 years at most. The colonization of Palestine started around 100 years ago. Israel was founded in 1948.

Secondly, Kamala isn't working towards achieving shit. Her government is literally still sending weapons to Israel as Israel is shooting at UN peacekeepers, burning people alive, attacking five different countries, and much more worse.

Holy shit these comments...

Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.

Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?

She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.

This shit is so fucking stupid....

People ask why Kamala is so far right on so many issues compared to the Dem voter base...

And rather than say "yeah, I can't provide a valid reason she keeps going to the right", we keep getting these posts about how it doesn't matter?

Imagine if Kamala's line was just to the right of yours, whatever you care most about, she's just going to agree with trump on.

And when you go around, asking why you aren't important enough to be on Kamala's side of the line, everyone told you to stop being a baby and be happy with what you get, even tho what you want isn't included in her platform

Like, we don't gain votes by supporting a genocide.

We don't gain votes from a border wall and Trump's other border policies Kamala adopted.

Shit. Just being pro-fracking is going to lose us PA, and trump can't win the election without PA.

That one fucking issue that not a single person can explain why she holds. That's all it would take to prevent trump.

But instead of using your time productively to try and get Kamala to change while there's still time...

You want to shit on the people the party left behind?

Like this doesn't even seem like trying to bully them into voting anymore, you're punching down on these people constantly and gleefully....

You're acting exactly like a fucking trump supporter.

TLDR:

The people trying to pull Kamala left are the ones helping Kamala

You're trying to do the same thing Hillary supporters tried to do in 2016....

Do you honestly not remember how that worked out?

Or is this all intentional?

This is not a thousand year conflict. It’s modern imperialism

Lmao genocide is not a “highly complex geopolitical issue”

It is neocolonialism that has been going on for a while (not 1000 years??) and is now ramping up to full on blatant murder, genocide, and devastation for the Palestinian peoples.

I can think of something US govt can do literally right now to help; STOP GIVING ISRAEL FUCKING WEAPONS!

But then the poor investors of aero/defense industrial complex will whine and complain that their Raytheon stock went down 5% ☹️. Can’t have that now can we

This is classic liberal brain worm nonsense.

Blue maga cultists world rather blame leftists than get your shitty candidate in line with her genocidal policies.

It's not a difficult situation to resolve: stop supplying Israel with weapons and support.

This breaks rule 2. "No misinformation" Israel is not a 1000 years old it is less than 100 years old

This is just pro Israeli propaganda. This specific conflict started in 1948. The whole UN has voted against Isreal. And you're telling me that that region will have all out war if Israeli troops stopped killing children? GTF outta here.

Kamala might fund genocide in Israel. But Trump will fund genocide in Israel, and genocide here.

We can be ideologically pure when we don’t have fascists at the doorstep. Thousands of children just FUCKING VANISHED during Trumps term. What’s going to happen during his second? Texas was (is?) putting barbed wire in the river on the fucking border. Trump will give free rein to murderous politicians (Texas is also about to execute another innocent man btw). People are going to die here.

Far Left Intellectual: The party is the politically conscious, advanced section of the class, it is its vanguard. Therefore, we must form a vanguard party that pursues the interests of the working class.

MAGA Conservative: This time Trump will fix all the problems.

Lemmy Liberal: If Harris loses, it is because Far Left Intellectuals didn't vote for her, after she did not sound enough like Donald Trump

You see, continuing to unconditionally support genocide is actually the best path towards not genocide and if you disagree you hate democracy

the israeli declaration of independence was 76 years ago

Trump would be a disaster for the middle east. He wouldn't even be good for Israel. Sure, he'd support Israel now, but Trump loves strongman leaders, and there are plenty of them in the middle east, so he'd love Netanyahu, but he'd probably also cozy up to any other regional strongmen and destabilize things even more.

But, the Biden/Harris admin has been effectively sponsoring the genocide by giving military aid to Israel. It's clear that Israel is the biggest military power in the region, and it has been for decades. It has no need for military aid. The best way to help civilians is to make Israel afraid to piss off its neighbors. Right now it's convinced it could beat them in any war, so it's happy to grind the Palestinians into dust, daring Iran, Egypt, etc. to interfere.

Yes, it's a complex geopolitical issue, and an all-out regional war would put many more civilians in danger, not just the Palestinians. But, giving military aid to Israel while they engage in genocide isn't a good way to prevent a regional war.

Even if you're a single-issue voter who doesn't care about women's reproductive health, doesn't care about the rule of law, doesn't care about free speech, doesn't care about corruption, and is only 100% focused on the fate of Palestinians, even then you should be voting for Harris. Even if you don't like her policies, there's still a slight chance she'd listen to reason once elected. Trump would be an utter disaster.

Oh yes. This will surely win over those far left voters.

I don’t know who is driving the Gaza protest rhetoric. It’s a question that should be answered. Because the absolute anti-Democrats narrative while simultaneously getting extraordinarily butthurt if anyone points out the Trump/Republican stance (and the fact it’s Congress that votes the Israeli aid) is indicative of foreign-based propaganda that cares NOT AT ALL about Gaza. It’s about getting Trump re-elected. Either that or the people posting here and across social media calling this war a genocide are just plain stupid or really, really feel self-fulfilled by their own anger.

You wanna complain about an actual genocide, look up what’s happening in Sudan as we speak.

More like:

Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US

vs.

Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US

I was banned from r/LateStageCapitalism for politely supporting a post with this reasoning. I pointed out that Trump would make the conflict even worse for innocents, and voting third-party to make a statement against neoliberal Democrat rule (which is bad) is a position that, in this moment, only the least-vulnerable in America can take when there is a risk of outright christo-fascism threatening the least-enfranchised.

Banned. “This is a socialist sub.” Proceeded to see a post from a mod openly mocking anyone who entertained lesser-of-two-evils arguments; they sounded like a sneering teenager. Over there, it’s all theory and no parsing of theory with reality.

"Dude look at how stupid you look in this strawman I made of you!"

Yeah I'm perfectly fine with not being on the same side as people openly embracing Dick Cheney and weird people can't figure out how being active in genocide is bad.

600 upvotes you reddit migrants must be proud

The majority of people want an end to the Unconditional Military Support of Israel. That is the requirement for the US to abide by US and International Humanitarian Law as well. It's not that complicated. You can't say you want to support civilians on both sides when you provide one side with the weapons used to commit genocide against the other unconditionally.

The argument for people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris, is that Trump will not only be much worse than the current administration, but will not be able to be swayed by public pressure in the same way Harris might be. The harm reduction argument is true for domestic policies, but is meaningless for foreign policy when the current administration is assisting Genocide.

Harris is significantly more likely to be pressured to change course from public pressure than Trump, that is the right argument for getting people who are anti-genocide to vote Harris despite the current administration's policy. Because the fight doesn't end after the election, but the fight will be much more difficult under a Trump administration.

How tf does one "excerpt pressure?"

There was no massive Jewish/Muslim conflict for a 1000 years in the region. The biggest massacre in the region against the Jews was probably the Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, albiet exact numbers are not available. The crusaders killed everyone in the city with a death toll as low as 3000 to as high as 70000. This includes all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

When I tried to look at the pogroms done against Jews in the Levant the history is actually remarkably scant. While they did happen, my impression based on just reading the wiki article was that they were caught up in larger conflicts in the region and it wasn't a deliberate targetting in the same way the Tsar's cossacks targetted Jews. And in all those cases the dominant power always came to their rescue and compensated them for the damages done by their persecutors. Also it appears that the worst perps weren't Muslims, but Druze (who are not Muslims).

In short, Trump is not only highly dishonest, but also a worthless shitbag who has been struggling his entire life to enshittify the world we all live in. He is worse than Bezos or Zuckerberg, because at least Amazon is a decent shopping platform, and Zuckerberg's facebook helped many people (myself included) to reconnect with childhood friends that I thought I would never speak to again).

Can someone provide further sources by what she means by an all out war if Israel loses support? Like stop killing civilians in Gaza, that's all we're asking