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[-] menemen@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

That conflict is just 76 years old. Even the idology that caused the conflict ist just 130 years old. Before the British colonialism the region had almost no conflict since the crucades.

[-] antiyanks@leminal.space 3 points 51 minutes ago

VERY SERIOUS:

I am just a random person without any stake in this. I just deeply believe the americans are in the wrong for supporting war crimes.

But now I'm being told the russians could be paying me to do this? I mean it's kinda fun. Anybody know who I could ask? Is there a recruitment process or something?

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Another post that makes me further double down on voting 3rd party. It is because of this mentality that not enough people vote 3rd party to make a difference. Also, I refuse to reward genocide.

I would also like to add Trump being worse isn't a good argument because this administration has let israel do all it wants and given them every weapon and funding.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Imagine a scenario with multiple political parties competing to defeat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could choose any candidate they prefer, ensuring that even if their choice doesn’t win, their vote can still be counted against the republican party with no spoiler effect. Since voting methods are determined at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal changes; some states have already implemented electoral reform. Alaska recently picked a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin because of Ranked Choice voting

Who would oppose having multiple chances to take power from the Republican Party? The Democratic Party would. In states they control, they could replace First Past The Post voting with an electoral system without a spoiler effect. Yet year after year, election after election, the democrats sit on their hands and do nothing about FPTP voting.

Democrats frequently acknowledge the shortcomings of FPTP voting, and have done so for longer than I’ve been alive. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily express their awareness of the flaws in the voting system used by most states. Comments for articles about the Green Party will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.

The Democrats seem to prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. Party over country at all costs.

[-] boywar3@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Another day, another smattering of "leftists" in safe blue states trying to be armchair activists while folks in red states fight to not be hunted for sport by the ruling class.

I'm sure glad it's easy to hide behind "both parties bad" or whatever nonsense they come up with this time.

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 2 points 2 hours ago

Why should a bunch of middle eastern fight against your ruling class instead of you? Fix your goddamn country

[-] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Keep defending multimillionaire democrats as they allow the country to slide into fascism because, hey, they're slightly better than outright fascists. I'm sure the people being genocided in Gaza are happy to hear how privileged they are. It's okay, Harris will push for a gentler genocide than Trump.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

The best part:

Genocide in Gaza: "We must do something or we're responsible for every death!!!"

Genocide in Ukraine: "Ukraine should have just surrendered to Russia for peace and this would never have happened..."

It's clear where this is coming from, they're just the same useful idiots as Stalin had.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

folks in red states fight to not be hunted for sport by the ruling class.

Sounds serious! I believe what you and many other democrats say about Trump and the republicans. Do you believe what you say?

When will democrats drop gun control considering imminent threat? It's only logical that the working class must remain armed considering how we are perpetually one election away from republicans installing and authoritarian government.

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 18 points 15 hours ago

the funniest part about this post is that trump and kamala's statements here are functionally identical, differing only in the phrasing.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

This is your brain on both sides kids. Don't do both sides.

Explain how 'kill anyone they want' and 'protect civilians' are even remotely the same.

Trump is advocating accelerationism. Kill em all and let $GOD sort it out.

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

"protect civilians" by providing unconditional support to Israel (this one is also funny, Israel is not protecting civilians, and are instead bombing hospitals, aid workers, journalists, expanding into Lebanon, etc etc)

"let Israel kill whoever they want" by providing unconditional support to Israel (we already let Israel kill whoever they want with no repercussions)

they are functionally the same (unconditional support to Israel), differing only in how they are phrased. one is uncouth and absurd, the other is the Pragmatic Adult In The Room, but they are both saying the same thing.

[-] Djtecha@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

Intent matters. I feel sorry for people like you that can't see that. If you want the entire area to be turned into glass then I guess vote trump. Go join the useless team of armchair undergrads and I hope you're happy when the death count skyrockets, you'll be on the winning team!

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Do you really believe there would be zero difference under the direction of Trump. You honestly believe the situation would not get worse, that he would just say 'keep doing whatever Biden was doing".

The main difference is under Trump you'd probably see real unconditional support. Maybe it'd be for Israel. Maybe it'd be for Putin. Maybe you'd see Trump hand over all the US bases in Israel to Putin. Hell, he may even throw in some nukes as a guesture of good will! On second thought, why not just use the nukes on Gaza?

Yes, I'm certain now there would be no daylight between those two outcomes.

[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 35 points 20 hours ago

I don’t know who is driving the Gaza protest rhetoric. It’s a question that should be answered. Because the absolute anti-Democrats narrative while simultaneously getting extraordinarily butthurt if anyone points out the Trump/Republican stance (and the fact it’s Congress that votes the Israeli aid) is indicative of foreign-based propaganda that cares NOT AT ALL about Gaza. It’s about getting Trump re-elected. Either that or the people posting here and across social media calling this war a genocide are just plain stupid or really, really feel self-fulfilled by their own anger.

You wanna complain about an actual genocide, look up what’s happening in Sudan as we speak.

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 3 points 3 hours ago

Fix your goddamn country, jimmy. They just bombed an hospital with a two-tons US made bombs. You are the rogue state. I hope the people responsible are thrown in jail and die there.

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Half of the noise will be from Russian IP addresses, and the other half will be dumb dumbs parroting it.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

The best part is the same people say the other genocide in Ukraine doesn't matter, and its their fault for not surrendering to Russia for peace.

So it really is curious where it's coming from.

[-] duffman@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Former Seattle city council member actually wants to see Harris lose to trump. It's wild: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/at-seattle-rally-sawant-says-harris-deserves-to-lose-1000-times/

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[-] prole 60 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Holy shit these comments...

Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.

Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?

She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

There's also the fact that, despite what the tankies prefer, geopolitics is messy and the US loves oil. There is no way in hell Harris comes out before an election and signals to the powers that be that oil and securing a route through Palestinian territory for a pipeline is off the table.

[-] frengo@lemm.ee 11 points 16 hours ago

Do you really think the Biden administration is somehow preventing or limiting the ongoing genocide? Israel already have carte blanche. All i hear from Harris is empty words. Israel is already doing whatever they want, they're even firing on UN peacekeepers. Harris or Trump nothing is going to change. Israel will remain unpunished. Do you know how things can change? Pull the fucking plug. Turn your back on that nazi state, let them perish. Harris should focus on other problems because people with a functioning brain are not going to believe her bullshit. 40000 dead but their goal is to protect civilians but they sent 18B in military aid in one year. How can someone be fooled by that?

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 6 points 10 hours ago

Yup, you're right. Better give the most powerful county in the world a fascist president. That will fix things. Biden has been naughty and must be spanked at any cost.

[-] frengo@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

Nope, not what i said. On the Israel-Palestine issue Harris and Trump are the exact same. Harris should better focus on other issues bacause no one is going to be fooled by her words (hopefully).

[-] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 19 hours ago

Except Harris has come out with a strong stance. Ironclad support for Israel.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 23 points 20 hours ago

There was no massive Jewish/Muslim conflict for a 1000 years in the region. The biggest massacre in the region against the Jews was probably the Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, albiet exact numbers are not available. The crusaders killed everyone in the city with a death toll as low as 3000 to as high as 70000. This includes all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

When I tried to look at the pogroms done against Jews in the Levant the history is actually remarkably scant. While they did happen, my impression based on just reading the wiki article was that they were caught up in larger conflicts in the region and it wasn't a deliberate targetting in the same way the Tsar's cossacks targetted Jews. And in all those cases the dominant power always came to their rescue and compensated them for the damages done by their persecutors. Also it appears that the worst perps weren't Muslims, but Druze (who are not Muslims).

In short, Trump is not only highly dishonest, but also a worthless shitbag who has been struggling his entire life to enshittify the world we all live in. He is worse than Bezos or Zuckerberg, because at least Amazon is a decent shopping platform, and Zuckerberg's facebook helped many people (myself included) to reconnect with childhood friends that I thought I would never speak to again).

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[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 50 points 23 hours ago

Lmao genocide is not a “highly complex geopolitical issue”

It is neocolonialism that has been going on for a while (not 1000 years??) and is now ramping up to full on blatant murder, genocide, and devastation for the Palestinian peoples.

I can think of something US govt can do literally right now to help; STOP GIVING ISRAEL FUCKING WEAPONS!

But then the poor investors of aero/defense industrial complex will whine and complain that their Raytheon stock went down 5% ☹️. Can’t have that now can we

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 3 points 2 hours ago

Noticed how you were first comment during UE day-hours but then the americans woke up and now it's all "muuh lesseviler""

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[-] cashsky@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

Please look up Brett Mcgurk before you praise Biden and Kamala's stance on Israel. Literally following Bush era policies in the Middle East.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Democrats still celebrate Obamacare, which is rebranded RomneyCare. Keeping those insurance corporations nice and safe... what an accomplishment.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Completely irrelevant. Nobody prizes it. Everyone just is aware that it's the best realistic outcome that election can have.

Third party is statistically impossible, don't lie to yourself. Trump: see meme. Harris: not as bad as Trump.

Unless you're a reactionary or an accelerationist who wants to see everything burn, the choice is clearly Harris.

[-] cashsky@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Two can be true at the same time. It is possible apply pressure to her and get her to separate herself from Biden's Zionist stance but instead she is running around gloating she has the fucking Cheney's vote. The mother fucking Cheney's. Everyone knows that piece of shit is a war criminal. Why are you proud of that. Wtf is happening.

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