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Unfortunately 1,300 still "so far". People are ready to give him another crack at it.🤮
It's actually still happening under Biden.
Got a source?
https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
Other user posted this above
Shit. The ratchet system in effect in the most grim way possible.
i'm fascinated by your exchange in this thread:
it's common knowledge that biden has extended trump's draconian immigration laws; but you still needed a source for it? or was it that you didn't want to believe it? is it because you don't think biden would do something like this?
it's common knowledge that biden has extended trump's draconian immigration laws;
Do you have a source for that?
I generally don’t take things random strangers say on the internet at face value.
i'm trying to understand how you get your information since it's literally on the tv news channels and on the radio and online; it's even a 3 second google search way and chatgpt will give you an answer in less than a second, but you still wanted a source.
you've demonstrated a willingness to adjust your view with provided with evidence; but it's on a topic with so much evidence i genuinely curious at how it didn't reach you.
The onus lies on the claimant. It’ll be trivial to find an obscure source saying whatever.
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It feels like people in this country focus on labeling organizations and people as good or evil.
If the Republicans are evil, then the Democrats must be the good guys.
What we should be doing is labeling actions as evil and enforce punishments for those who do these actions; regardless of who they are affiliated with.
The fact that those children are still separated from their parents?
Last I checked, Trump isn't president anymore.
It’s actually still happening under Biden.
Its a bit more nuanced than that. That's like saying "people who wear seat belts still die". Well yes, that's a fact, but intentionally or not, you're making a claim without context and painting a picture in the mind of others that doesn't reflect reality.
Under the Trump administration’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy, separations were calculated and deliberate.
The goal of zero tolerance was to criminally prosecute all adult migrants who entered the country illegally. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would detain parents and transfer their children into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
“Cruelty was the point of that policy,” Langarica said.
Biden rescinded the policy in January 2021. Yet, three years later, more than 1,400 families remain separated, according to the latest update from the Family Reunification Task Force.
The report argues that separations have happened for decades, but under the Biden administration they are a result of bureaucratic processes, lack of transparency and accountability — not purposeful cruelty.
You can find the latest Family Reunification Task Force progress reports here: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/family-reunification-task-force-progress-reports
It's not a trump thing, it's an american thing.
Why are saying that as if the dems aren't in power right now?
Because:
A) You didn't read the article, and thusly come in with your usual "democrats bad" without realizing that most of the reason these people haven't been reunited is nobody knows (because there are no records or incorrect records) with whom they should be re-united
B) We have elections in this country and "dems being in power" doesn't mean that they'll stay there...because they'll leave after having lost an election.
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If something happened to my kid, and I was never reunited with them? Never given contact with them, never provided communication with their care takers?
You can bet violence would be the inevitable outcome.
1300 children havent been reunited because of incomplete documentation - that was by design - and now the government has the responsibility to protect the children from nefarious parties and verify identities of non-us citizens and their parents?
That's the parents of 1300 children who are slowly losing their wits because they sought safe refuge from a country where if they didn't escape, death was already inevitable.
Now, what do we all know about Facists? They need and enemy. Their entire existence is based around having an enemy. It's easy to point to powerless minority groups and stoke nationalism through that, but invasions don't occur to save lives or conquer land. They occur to give purpose to iron fist policies.
Especially useful is when the Enemies attack you. Unfortunately for the Facists the iron fisted policies enacted after 9/11 had the consequence of restricting the effectiveness of already radicalized groups, reducing their numbers and the usefulness of the Enemy. So what did Trump do? Instead of working on producing false flag attacks which is a hard sell to even his most devoted followers, why not create home grown enemies!
The absolute sick fucks they are. The people I see with a Trump sign on their lawn show me how many of these people there are. The way they dehuminize others really starts to make me think that there is an actual physiological difference between them and the rest of humanity.
They are fine with physical and psychological torture of humans. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they have reduced, damaged, or lack entirely the part of their brains that should house empathy.
It all works without it being a specific conspiracy to create terrorists so I don't know why you added that part. Maybe he's just a piece of shit who does bad stuff that creates cohorts of people who hate him and America because he doesn't know about, think about, or care about them.
Every single sign I see, I mentally note them as a monster. Nothing will change my mind on this. I have brought up these kids and the despicable camps they made even recently to my peers and just get a shrug. This whole thing is nuts and I will never forgive our current government for not making this right, as inconsequential of a detail this is for most people. This shit happened on our own damn soil, concentration/internment camp style. That fucking monster did it, but what about the last 4 years? Did anyone even try to help the people we tortured? Did anyone even care?
The worst part? A lot of these kids will not even be able to remember or identify their parents at this point. Hell, their parents might not recognize them. You basically need DNA tests at this point, and if you are not their biological parent, you are probably screwed.
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Elián González is now an anti-USA politian in Cuba. And quite frankly, I don't blame him. It's pretty easy to see what will happen when you force a child to go through tramatic events resulting in the loss of family.
And the trump administration is 16-20 years after the Elián González situation happened. They could already see the results happen in real time by that point.
Long after this post is forgotten about by everybody, including me, we're going to see some of these 1300 children today become anti-usa voices when they become adults.
And they'll have fully justified reasons for thinking that way.
Elian lost his mother coming here and was living with relatives in Miami. His Cuban father (rightfully, in my opinion) wanted him back. His family here reasonably argued that his mother's last act was to bring him to the US and hence he should remain.
The legal battle and ultimate decision he was to be sent back traumatized an innocent kid, but it's not the same. The US was in the middle of a family fight where both sides were asserting viable arguments and the kid was a pawn. I don't see that being a US policy mistake.
I was refering more to the part where federal agents breached his miami home, with him being about 6 years old, and having an assault riffle pointed at him as agents screamed orders and made his crying face one of the top news stories of the year.
That's the part I was referring to. Not a legal court battle.
They weren't surrendering the kid, what exactly did you expect?
There were people screaming that they wouldn't give him back and would fight anyone who came to take him.
It's the south Florida Cuban community, surprised you have this position.
Show me another case of federal agents breaching the door, a team of agents with assault rifles, using helicopters with spotlights, all in the dead of night.
This wasn't a case of CPS shows up at 2pm with a cop as backup. This was more like a swat team terrorist hideout raid.
This wasn't about taking a kid back and bring them to their new legal guardian. This was about sending a message to EVERYONE that illegals aren't welcome here.
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Pretty much every politician is anti US in Cuba. It’s a one party system and loyalty is the price for a paycheck.
Why would any Cuban politician be pro USA when said country is blocking every possibility of trade with other countries which results in food scarcity because Cuba is too small to do all production domestically and is therefore lacking in large scale farming equipment and fuel?
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@RemindMe@programming.dev 16 years
Til Biden didn’t do anything to reunite the families and in fact continued separating families: https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
Standard Democrat fare - they'll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.
...but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they're likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.
The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.
Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn't close Gitmo as promised.
I'm in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it's to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What's the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn't closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
The irony.
Would you mind giving a quick explanation of your understanding the rule of law and its relevance to the constitution and US legal system?
Bonus points for extending this explanation to the 5th-8th amendment (particularly 6 and 8).
Based on the downvotes, it seems we're indifferent about the principles underpinning the constitution and the entire legal system, the right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
Most of this wasn't tested in those legal cases - to my knowledge, they didn't even meaningfully challenge the fact that these detainees were being held by the US on foreign soil to transparently and dishonestly skirt those protections.
Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don't know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn't know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn't once he lost the house.
I'd say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that's just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it's all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
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This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.
Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It's to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.
Stop carrying water for Trump.
Vote blue no matter who! Even when they're basically holding your queer loved ones hostage.
When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.
You don't have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There's 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.
To be able to make change: Who controls the house AND the senate?
Ladies and gentlemen: the pro life party,.
They will never find them again barring getting lucky with both the parents and the kids picking the right DNA testing company. At which point that company will sell its data to the U.S. government.
You can call it Trump if you want but This Is America.
American did this. Don't blame Trump for us.
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