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“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 161 points 2 months ago

"But we'll still give him whatever he wants. That AIPAC there frightens me"

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 99 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Literally...

This comment didn't happen yesterday, it was months ago. And Biden still hasn't changed.

And it still hasn't stopped Bibi from pushing for trump

There is literally no benefit for loyalty to a facist government, the second you're not 100% with them you're 100% against them. It's the same way trump acts

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

There has been a change in what he says.

But yeah, still nothing on what he does.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

There has been a change in what he says.

Has there?

I'm not talking backroom comments like this, I mean public statements

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[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 85 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

AIPAC and Citizens United are actually frightening.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/pro-israel-groups-spent-big-oust-squad-members/story?id=113675889

https://apnews.com/article/cori-bush-aipac-house-race-missouri-568c1a84974b8ba176a8d27a8375de42

They are able to change the outcome of races with seemingly unlimited money. A spend of 8.4 million in a Missouri primary is absurd, and likely is a drop in the bucket of what is spent influencing the presidential race.

I don't think there is a way to fix this either, since the people that should be writing laws to prevent it are the ones benefiting the most.

I imagine this is also happening in Republican primaries, so one can't just vote differently to address the root cause. Both republicans and Democrats seem to be tripping over each other to prove what a friend they are to Israel. It's really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 2 months ago

It’s really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

I can't even begin to express how stressed I've been over this.

Anyone that has the misfortune of recognizing they've been encountering my comments of pure exasperation lately will attest to that...

I'm generally a pessimistic person, but I truly believe Trump is going to win this and the heritage foundation is going to be able to implement their plan to solidify control of the government.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 12 points 2 months ago

So you're saying Israel actually controlling the US?

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

In a roundabout, totally legal way, yes they are. Technically it is a US organization that wants to strengthen US ties with Israel, so it's totally not foreign influence /s

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 152 points 2 months ago

Maybe stop sending them billions in weapons then, eh?

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In an election year? That's political suicide in the US to Harris by proxy, given how many people are brainwashed over there.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The majority of Americans are opposed to sending weapons to Israel. Even the majority of Republicans.

Supporting Israel for political gain is a vastly overstated argument. It exists to justify sending weapons to Israel.

It is very similar to the previous claim that Biden should not have been replaced because he was the incumbent.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

He had the chance to legitimize the option. They have the evidence, and they have the laws. He treated both of those like chopped liver and that was that. He's locked in now.

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[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s so simple, even a random person on the internet with no knowledge of how any of it actually works has figured it all out!

Yeah! Just… break a decades-long agreement. There no nuance to this at all! No complications…

amirite?

There can’t possibly be any penalties or repercussions for that! I mean. A random internet citizen said to do it- so……

Easy peezy!

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So we throw away the “rules based international order” and return to the pre-1914 unilateral rules and all the brutal wars that bought? So much better, amirite? Might makes right, and we’ve got the might ~~for now~~!

The US stance on Israeli leadership is decimating our ability to wield soft power influence. We are global hypocrites blocking ANY action, whilst expecting the world to fall in line to support Ukraine against Russian revanchism - even NATO members dissent from the US position. The global south is turning to China/OPEC+ trading blocs. They already tried to break the petrodollar, which would be a huge blow if successful.

Even taking a realpolitik approach, without soft power all those US military bases used for ‘power projection’ lose their local consent, and become occupation sites inside non-allied nations. The Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan is a chill spot for launching COIN drone missions - whereas the Conoco base in Syria is constantly under drone and rocket attack.

Supporting Bibi’s wars of aggression is a stupid play on multiple levels.

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[-] revolutionaryvole@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

The US military-industrial complex does not need you to defend it.

It might well be more complex than that, but you have every right to demand from your government to put its vast resources to use in order to tackle that complexity. Given the severity of the situation, I'd say you have a responsibility to.

Seeing such a tragedy unfold and going 'oh, my government probably has a good reason to keep funding the active genocide, I'd hate to give some extra paperwork to our bureaucrats by making a fuss!' is very defeatist, to put it politely.

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[-] hungprocess@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 2 months ago

Since you are a person "with knowledge of how any of it works", please share with the class what those penalties and repercussions are. Educate us poor ignorant "random Internet citizens".

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

"You expect America, with its history of breaking promise and agreement and doing whatever the fuck it wants and giving two middle fingers to anyone that doesnt like it.. to break its promises and agreements with Israel to prevent a genocide? THE NERVE! HOW UNCOUTH! WHY I NEVER!"

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[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

More lies to make the rubes think he is against the genocide. He has done this many times before and its always utterly meaningless.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 69 points 2 months ago

Can we stop reporting on Biden or whoever else using salty language unless it’s something along the lines of “I’m cutting off the fucking military aid.”?

[-] queue 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That won't happen, both parties are bought out by AIPAC, just AIPAC will stop splitting the money and give it only to the one who doesn't give them what they want. If a Democrat president said "I'm ending this here, enough bloodshed" AIPAC would fund the Republicans, despite how much Republicans hate Jews, quietly and publicly.

I'm not trying to defend the literal actual genocide, I'm trying to say the money makes them keep their hands flowing with greenbacks and blood of civilians.

EDIT: The two below, I blocked you before two for being liberals who have defended genocide and argue that somehow Democrats need to support the genocide and its a good thing that AIPAC owns both parties. Mainly soup is a troll who acts smarter than everyone else.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think there's a much more lively audience who's votes could be won with the simple free act of stopping weapons sales to Israel or banning their use on civilian infrastructure.

Blinken does this to Ukraine on a regular basis literally to avoid escalation, to the point of absurdity like not letting Ukraine strike Russian military bases where glide bombs are being launched from...

...but somehow this administration is dumbfounded about how we can curtail Israel from blowing up ambulances and orphanages?

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

said Biden privately

You literally just gave a fucking press conference.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The logical conclusion in the face of Biden's other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this "leak" is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden's team.

By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.

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[-] forrcaho@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

I don't know how he would ever have expected anything different from Netanyahu. It's not like this is the first time he failed to show the "restraint" Biden pleaded for (while simultaneously providing him with an unlimited supply of weapons).

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.

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[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago

Now say it in public and act accordingly.

Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu's government.

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago
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[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake "leaks" as well, and pretend to be "upset". As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

No shit, Joe!

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don't match the actions. They might decry Israel's actions but quietly they're giving them the go-ahead.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 26 points 2 months ago

put up or shut up motherfucker.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

When this originally leaked months ago (almost a year actually), people were getting down voted for saying Biden was just mad that Netanyahu was making him look bad in PR.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

What speaks louder?

Actions or words?

Fuck Joe Biden and fuck Amerikkka. ✊🏼

[-] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

I am firmly of the opinion that there is SOMETHING Israel has over the US that is probably super classified and super damning. Why else would BOTH parties, in one of, if not THE most influencial voting season in our country, agree on supporting Israel?

For how much the Republicans stand with Israel (and how many actually don't care about genocide since pretty much every Neo-Nazi is Republican), it should be the BIGGEST soft-ball issue to run on for Dems to oppose, being the party of "the rights of the people". But they have the presidency and continue supplying weapons to them for their war engine. No matter how many words are said, actions speak louder.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

They are the US intelligence operation in the middle east. They are an attack dog for the things the US finds important, meaning they agree with us on economic operations, and will go to war to protect it. Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. These are all just countries who are willing to actively work in the economic interests of the US as it benefits them. This allows the US access to their intel, to put military facilities in their countries, to use new weapons systems through their conflicts. They protect the standing of the petrodollar.

The US doesn't give a shit if a tiny, powerless, economically insignificant population, or a thousand, get wiped out. Preserving US domination is more important to the US government, and states like Israel will kill anyone in pursuit of that status quo. The only people they would need to have black mail on are government actors who aren't willing to support them, there are not a majority of those, yet.

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[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

A "bad guy!" My word, Mr. President, what next, we'll stop sending them money? Have some decorum.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nice to know that he at least can acknowledge reality?

But behind it is a state dept that is ignoring it's own studies rank indictment of isreals murderous actions in order to keep feeding the beast. Maybe it's some far-flung plan to give isreal and netenyahoo all the rope they need to hang themselves, becoming global outcasts, which would then force them into accepting a two-state solution... Or the problem is a lot simpler.

The records and interviews also show that the pressure to keep the arms pipeline moving also comes from the U.S. military contractors who make the weapons. Lobbyists for those companies have routinely pressed lawmakers and State Department officials behind the scenes to approve shipments both to Israel and other controversial allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia. When one company executive pushed his former subordinate at the department for a valuable sale, the government official reminded him that strategizing over the deal might violate federal lobbying laws, emails show.

Weapons sales are a pillar of American foreign policy in the Middle East. Historically, the U.S. gives more money to Israel for weapons than it does to any other country. Israel spends most of those American tax dollars to buy weapons and equipment made by U.S. arms manufacturers.

Don't forget, while Biden and his state dept. is in charge of investigating and ensuring the proper use of these weapons, it's congress that's approving it. A congress that is balls-deep invested in U.S. weapons manufacturers.

For Israel and NATO allies, if the sale is worth at least $100 million for weapons or $25 million for equipment, Congress also gets final approval.

The most widely held defense contractor stock among senators and representatives is Honeywell, an American company that makes sensors and guiding devices that are being used by the Israeli military in its airstrikes in Gaza. The second most commonly held defense stock by Congress is RTX, formerly known as Raytheon, the company that makes missiles for Israel’s Iron Dome, among other weapons systems. - Sludge Article

[-] hungryphrog 20 points 2 months ago

The fuck was he expecting?

[-] frezik@midwest.social 18 points 2 months ago

When do politicians realize that Israel needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs Israel?

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

I saw Biden give a press conference about the hurricane, and as he was walking out the door one of the reporters asked about his communication with Netanyahu, and he said over his shoulder "We didn't talk about the hurricane."

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