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“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The logical conclusion in the face of Biden's other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this "leak" is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden's team.

By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Yes exactly, everyone should stay home instead of voting so Trump wins.

[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

When did they say that exactly?

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

They're trying to discourage progressives which could easily make them stay home and let Trump win.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You assume too much.

I simply have principles and won't just stand quiet in the face of evildoing, no matter what the excuse.

As I pointed out multiple times before, the simplest thing is for one man, Joe Biden, to change the way he acts, not for millions to close their eyes and swallow their principles (or for thousands of useful idiots to come out and defend his indefensible actions, making themselves accomplices along with him in the mass murder of children).

In 10 or 20 years' time, when the full form of this Holocaust is known, I will know I was always on the right side and you and those like you will be trying to forget how you tainted your hands with the blood of children, protecting Biden from being forced to not help murder them anymore.

I'll leave you with a thought: do you think the bombing of residential neighborhoods in Beirut with 2000lb bombs sent from the US (which the US Military refuses to use because the collateral damage is too great) which has killed countless civilians including children, would have happened without the useful idiots and tribalists having spend the last year doggedly defending of Biden allowing him to send ever more and more dangerous weapons to Israel? To you really think the chain of events that has resulted in Israel extending the war to Lebanon would've still happened if there was a massive outcry against Joe Biden and the Democrats 6 months ago, well before the election?

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Glad to see people with a spine piping up on this website. I'm so fucking tired of the "non voters help Trump win" narrative. It's so fucking pathetic.

[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Eh, non-voters in some states could help Trump win, but it's hardly a universal thing. My bigger issue with this sort of rhetoric is that criticizing absolutely reprehensible policies advanced by the Democrats does not equal endorsing Trump, as many Zionist shills here like to claim. I want to be able to unreservedly back Democratic candidates in the upcoming elections, but "enables and supports genocide and the massacre of civilian men, women and children," is one hell of a reservation to make your voters have.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah I understand Trump has a better chance of winning if less people vote for Harris. My point is that instead of blaming voters for not wanting to vote for dems people need to blame the dems for not being worth voting for.

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

It's mask-off really quickly when those who are kinder and engage when you flatly state you're not voting Dem, too.

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Youre not alone. I'm voting uncommitted along with many others.

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

I know I'm not alone, but it's so nice when others show public solidarity. Thank you so much. 🤝 ✊

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm afraid it doesn't take much spine to speak up online, especially since I'm an European and hence with little at stake on the US Presidential race.

(Mind you, I do go beyond words and have a been a member of small Leftwing parties in two of the countries I lived in).

None the less, thanks for the compliment.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.

Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person's party are weakened.

One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.

Straw man

Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person's party are weakened.

Low quality analysis and very biased take on what's going on.

One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?

Implying I'm a Nazi. Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was going to write that I don't think you're a Nazi, just giving yourself excuses to act in ways that taint you with their stink.

Then I saw this beauty:

actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.

Low quality analysis and very biased take on what’s going on.

Already after the Genocide was well underway Biden sent Israel 2000lb bombs, which the US itself does not use because their collateral damage is too large (they flatten entire housing blocks), which have been used by Israel in both Gaza and in residential areas in Lebanon resulting in horrible numbers of civilian casualties, including many children.

You Sir, have the morals of a Zionist, a modern Nazi.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

God Lemmy is ridiculous sometimes

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Feel free to head to reddit and not look back. The worldnews mods there will make darn sure you dont have to deal with these troublesome opinions that you dont agree with. Let me hold the door open for you so you can go. Have a good day now.

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.

Agreed fuckingkangaroos@, yeah, genocide is one thing, but anything you claim to be "rude" should not be tolerated. Tell that guy GOOD DAY, SIR. Its hard to believe anyone would act so rudely about some run-of-the-mill mass murder. I bet that guy uses his salad fork to eat his dinner too. You were right to ~~run away~~ not engage.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Very cool, thanks so much for your insightful comment

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Or rank and file dems should grow the courage of their convictions and organize to stop allowing the dem centrists to take the zionist campaign money. Polls show most Americans dont support The zionists colonization and their associated war crimes.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Why does Biden need PR when he's a lame duck?

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Because his abysmal approval ratings bring Harris's down too. Harris has never been good at formulating any statement of her own principles-- even back when she was running for president against Biden, she had no platform, just bromides that polled well. She's a cardboard cutout.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago
[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

His VP can come out and voice her disagreement with his actions, distancing herself from him and those actions.

It's the simplest solution by far.

Not doing so and instead having the party loyalists go around raging at any who criticize Biden's complicity in Genocide, is not the simplest solution.

And yet here we are, with the tribalists piling up on any criticism online instead of Kamala Harris simply voicing her disagreement with Biden's policies.

One wonders why exactly the chosen option is not the simplest and most likely to lead to a Trump defeat.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Lol. All this is performance anyway. If Harris voiced her disagreement with Biden, the right wing media would have a field day with how disorganized the Dems are and how they can't be trusted to lead.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The "right wing media" (what I would call the far-right media here in Europe) will say pretty anything quite independently of it being true or not. They've relentlessly been making shit up about Democrats and will keep on doing so.

The people who believe the "right wing media" are never going to vote for Kamala because they already believe a massive pile of unbelievable bollocks about her.

"The right wing media will say" isn't quite the powerful argument that you think it is for the future POTUS to keep her association with an unrepentant Genocide enabler and supporter.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I'm explaining their rational for the theater. Not mine.

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Living in fear of right wing bullying is not productive. We can either cower or we can kick them in the face or ridicule them when they go low. The dems do far too much cowering the past few decades. Americans love a good snappy comeback, and so far all we have doing it is old coach Waltz.

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