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So Dell wants to do a layoff of sales staff, and is going to lose their best performers first.
Dell's inside sales team probably has a much flatter bell curve, performance wise, then their outside (traveling) reps.
So yes, they are looking to do a layoff without the headlines, or severance, but probably aren't as concerned where on the bell curve those employees rank.
Middle and lower management of those teams is absolutely sweating bullets about their teams getting wrecked, but big picture, whatever impact the C Suite is expecting, clearly isn't enough to outweigh whatever net outcome they're hoping for here.
Edit: also, I pretty much guarantee that any of their far high-end outliers on the inside sales team bell curve, will be given an exemption by whoever is 2 or 3 levels above their direct manager.
i hate how this "best performers" rhetoric always comes out in WFH discussion. everyone should be able to work from home if it's better for them regardless of if they're The Best at their dunder-mifflin ass job
Sure, everyone that has a job that can be done from home should be permitted to do it from home if they want to.
What the best performers rhetoric is about is that these companies are harming their long term prospects by doing things like this, since the personnel that make the most money for the company are generally the ones that can easily leave for another company that will not treat them like a child that needs to be directly monitored.
That's not the argument. The argument is rather that good employees can easily find new and better jobs. So the remaining people are on average worse.
It's also called Dead Sea Effect. The good ones evaporate, only salt remains.
They are saying the return to office mandate will cause the best performers (who are likely more confident in securing another job) to quit first, not that everyone shouldn't be WFH.
Why the fuck would any office worker whose job is 100% on a computer need to be in an office? I don't understand why companies want to pay for all of that electricity and real estate just to make people sit in cubicles.
To prevent a crash in the commercial office real estate market.
Meh fuck the commercial real estate market. Turn all the buildings into micro apartments or tear them down and install fields of solar panels.
I've been screaming its just wage theft. My city provides tax breaks for occupancy (employees prop up the local economy buying lunch). They are making me pay for gas, time, and car maintenance (and lunch but fuck them, I'll just not eat) for this tax break which goes to C-level bonuses/shareholders. Its just another way of skimming off the top of employee wages.
We worked fully remote for nearly 2 years and the hybrid policy just keeps getting worse and worse. Coupled with quarterly riffs, I also suspect this is to avoid severance pay/unemployment while accelerating the down sizing. Yet our CEO bonus keeps going up and up despite our stock plummeting since the end of COVID lock downs.
Tear them down and build houses. Flood the market of every major city with houses so it becomes unprofitable to buy thousands of houses just to rent.
Then home sales go up, and millenials can ACTUALLY buy houses in their lifetime!
Why should they care though? It's not like commercial real estate sells more computers. Staff still needs desktops, infrastructure still needs datacenters.
Some people are bad at working remote, and want to drag the rest of us down with them, too.
Yes, it's a slightly different skill set to work remote. You have to be better at the written word. You can't just roll up to someone's desk and be like "have a minute?" (which is fucking awful anyway). You also need to be responsive and set your status appropriately. A lot of coworkers just wander off and leave their slack status as active. To my mind if you're running an errand longer than taking a dump, you should update your status.
So managers and other poor personality types have someone to torment. This is said flippantly but I'm quite serious.
probably because their cost is sunk in the real estate already and no one wants to buy it.
Unironically how I live my life
Quite right too. The most important factor for me when buying a computer is that the sales droid is in an office. All those CPU, RAM and disk numbers are secondary to that.
I just buy whichever one is called "gamer computer" and has the prettiest LED lights on the case. Thats how you know it's the good shit!
Because making calls and using a computer requires a specific lacale...
lmaoooo Murica is just 10 companies in a trenchcoat pretending to be a country
They would ask you to return to the ashes if the office burnt down.
I used to work for a major business outsourcer. One of their contingency plans in case an office burned down or had to be evacuated was literally to make everybody work in another office 50 miles away.
It was so bad that they weren't even willing to reimburse travel costs. It was either get there or be fired.
And in an unlikely turn of fate, the backup office burned down too.
Funny how all of these companies have the same policy regarding returning to work, despite the fact that a dozen or so studies exist that prove empirically that employee productivity increased during the WFH era.
Real estate investments and oil production are the only American dream. Productivity doesn't mean shit if oil stops flowing or real estate values evaporate. The ruling class doesn't care if you finished your excel spreadsheet by 4pm.
I quit answering my dell sales buy. His quotes have been above what I can get buying right off the website. Their premier login must tack on a 25% charge.
Lenovo produces what dell wishes it could.
We just test piloted a few for the first time since IBM stopped making them. I was really disappointed when one had a fan problem just outside of warranty, I went ahead and cracked it open. It was all Phillips screws which was kind of nice. They weren't all the same which kind of sucks but not that bad. I went to pull the fan out to get a replacement, found out I had to replace the entire fan assembly heat pipes heat sinks everything. I was super pissed off until I found out I could buy the part off their website and it was 80 bucks. Dell won't even sell me parts. 80 boxes a lot to pay for a fan, But when replacing it replaces both the CPU and the GPU fan and gives me fresh radiators, It could be worse.
From a corporate standpoint I'm a fan.
Now they can play golf together instead of by themselves.
Unless it's the initial outreach team or on-premises staff, sales would be one of the few roles totally suited to remote working.
Some of the more creative or collaborative roles I can see the argument for hybrid working - even if it's just one day a week or month in the office - but sales, customer service, or first line support seems to be the last area you'd impose a return to work mandate on.
That said, I haven't got extortionate office rents to justify 😂
I'll be looking for work in about 3 months and my hard line is wfh.
I will never work in an office with people again.
I totally get it. Good luck though, make sure you find a landing space first. WFH jobs are decreasing and are getting much more competitive. They're also, unfortunately, prone to be suddenly or slowly shifted to in-office positions. Trying to work a mandatory period of WFH into your contract might be useful, but that'll be pretty difficult.
As long as you are very employable and in the right field you should be fine. Using "transitional WFH" as a way to entice workers is becoming more commonplace and employers are often not transparent about it.
A friend works in HR at a place that hires as "WFH" and doesn't mention at any point that there is already a timeline in place for two days in office after six weeks and then full time in office after three months. It's not stipulated anywhere, it's a "new policy" that comes down... on the same timeline... for every new employee. Lol
thanks for the heads up and I'll definitely will keep that in mind when I'm looking.
If I can't find wfh work, I'll focus my efforts on building/supporting software developer unions while working construction. rather be outside and be miserable than inside and miserable.
I'm beginning to think companies are doing this to get people to leave by themselves
More like "sales teams are the reason middle managers think ALL employees slack off when not watched."
I get that sales is a SUPER depressing culture, a ridiculously antiquated work environment, and full of some utterly soul-sucking mandates from above, but I have never seen, in any workplace, a team that needs someone constantly riding herd on them like the sales team.
Every place I've worked, every place that a place I've worked has had as a client, and every business I've ever visited had the same problem -- sales people are largely unmotivated because their job has a much higher chance to SUCK OUT LOUD than most of the other jobs at a given company.
When five figure quarterly bonuses, daily friendly team competitions for gift cards, more paid-for-by-the-company outings than the c suites get and pickle ball on company time twice a week aren't enough to hype people up to do their actual job, something is really fucking wrong with the job expectations.
Time to fire half the workforce.
Before you do that... I have a better idea
This is how they cull us now. Make us quit.
It’s creeping back in the UK here too. I think hybrid works best for me, can collaborate 2 or 3 times a week and stay at home and be more productive to actually DO the work.
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