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[-] Juice@midwest.social 69 points 2 months ago

Just going to keep posting this every time it comes up.

We could reduce energy and materials cost of global production worldwide to 30% current capacity by planning production instead of leaving it to the market, and greatly increase the standard of living for everyone on this planet. But first we have to get rid of capitalism and institute democratic socialist planning.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7n1POfYMo1I3kcy0oqSm6l?si=8ikYVJN8TIupvjoaCMRssA

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 months ago

But first we have to get rid of capitalism and institute democratic socialist planning.

All strains of Socialism are democratic, it's a bit redundant to include unless you're trying to emphasize the democratic factor as opposed to our current system.

[-] Malidak@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

In theory yes. In reality all socialist systems had surprisingly few changes of leadership after one guy rose to power of the "socialist" movement or party. And they don't really seem to trust their citizens to be socialist without a lot of fear, censorship, spying, silencing critics...

It's almost as if the majority of humans reject socialism. Which is weird but true.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

In theory yes. In reality all socialist systems had surprisingly few changes of leadership after one guy rose to power of the "socialist" movement or party

There are numerous reasons for this. Stability in protecting revolution and genuine popular support are among the larger and more important reasons.

And they don't really seem to trust their citizens to be socialist without a lot of fear, censorship, spying, silencing critics...

Neither are Capitalist states, and neither was Marx. Combatting international Capitalist influence was and is key for retaining Socialism.

It's almost as if the majority of humans reject socialism. Which is weird but true.

Not true at all, actually. Those controlling the media want you to think it though.

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[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

whoa whoa whoa

slow down there Karl Marx /s

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

Speed up there Marx!

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[-] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 2 months ago

The last panel should have an and, not an or

[-] Korrok 29 points 2 months ago

I misread this as "this country has always been ruled by the lich".

And yeah, tbh, yeah.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

That would explain a lot of policies.....

And Dick Cheney.

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[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago

Just putting it out there that "property owning" is not the class deliniator! I "own" my house/property and the only differences are that i pay rent to a bank instead of a landlord, and i can knock holes in the walls if i want to.

I'm still pretty much paycheck to paycheck, squarely in the working class.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

We dont want your toothbrush dude

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

If you're paying rent to a bank, you don't own your house, at least not yet.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

It's not about stopping climate change anymore. That ship has sailed and sunk.

Now its about surviving long enough to witness very bad things happening to very bad people.

[-] Xtallll 17 points 2 months ago

There is still time to change course, however carbon sequestration is becoming a more important part of climate action. Doomerism just acts as an excuse to not take action.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

witness very bad things happening to very bad people.

Yeah, not gonna happen in this life. Karma is a happy accident, not a rule

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[-] Fern@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

20 years? Jamie pull that up.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Well it was 25 years in 2019, and I’d round down since we’re in September so yeah, 20 to go.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

All countries have always been governed by the property owning class. With all its faults, capitalism has resulted in "peons" having the most say they've ever had. It's not a lot, but it's sure better than under classical democracy, feudalism, monarchy, theocracy, and "communism" at least as practiced in the USSR, Cuba, North Korea and China.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

(Capitalism is a) brutal state of affairs, profoundly inegalitarian - where all existence is evaluated in terms of money alone - is presented to us as ideal. To justify their conservatism, the partisans of the established order cannot really call it ideal or wonderful. So instead, they have decided to say that all the rest is horrible. Sure, they say, we may not live in a condition of perfect Goodness. But we're lucky that we don't live in a condition of Evil. Our democracy is not perfect. But it's better than the bloody dictatorships. Capitalism is unjust. But it's not criminal like Stalinism. We let millions of Africans die of AIDS, but we don't make racist nationalist declarations like Milosevic. We kill Iraqis with our airplanes, but we don't cut their throats with machetes like they do in Rwanda, etc.

Edit: In this they take on the posture of a severely depressed person who views hope as a dangerous delusion.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

That's wildly ahistorical. It has allowed the creation of Labor Aristocracy, Proletarians that benefit from the fruits of Imperialism, but Socialist countries like the ones you listed did far more for the working class than Capitalist countries have. You should read Blackshirts and Reds.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“communism” at least as practiced in the USSR, Cuba, North Korea and China.

What are you talking about? Research how many rights women and lgbt people lost when the GDR fell for an example of how wrong-headed this line of thinking is.

For those who want light reading, I highly recommend "Why women had better sex under socialism, and other arguments for economic independence"

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

I remember an anecdote from an East German woman after the Berlin Wall fell saying West German women were just now beginning to advocate for what the East German women already had.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Covid ended any hope I have. We couldn't get people to put on a fucking mask or get vaccinations when the disease was right in front of us killing millions of people.

There's absolutely no way we're gonna get people on board with fighting the climate disaster. Humanity will be lucky if it survives itself.

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[-] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Simple solution: take power, ban the right-wing parties and their financers, if they protest use acid cannons, blackmailing and censorship towards them and coup every country with a right-wing government.

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[-] Late2TheParty@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Damnit, Gritty!

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

20 years? Not 25? I thought 2060 was when things would really crumble due to climate change is we continued business as usual (which is what we're doing).

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 15 points 2 months ago

Does it matter? Ultimately, these are estimates. Educated, data backed estimates, but still estimates.

One larger than expected volcanic eruption, coral reefs dying faster than expected, whatever, all it takes is one or two things to not go the way they're expected and everything speeds up.

20 years or 25 years, the point is we're all kinda fucked unless we do something about it.

What we need to do has been and will continue to be debated ad nauseam, but we know we must do something.

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