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[-] disguised_doge@kbin.earth 136 points 1 month ago

crazy how as soon as mozilla does good stuff nobody is there

We're all glad to see Mozilla have a win, at least I assume so. But there's been a lot of other much bigger decisions that have gone on recently that make us (at least me) hesitant to celebrate at the first good thing.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 month ago

On the more technical side of things they are doing excellent work, it's on the bike shedding department that the overpaid management is doing idiotic choices.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

as always on these corporations

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Yeah it's like the fucking Goat thing. Mozilla fucked a goat and shocked that that's all people remember.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I dunno, finally getting vertical tabs is not exactly making me hesitant to celebrate, quite the opposite. Someone at Mozilla must have been a portrait-mode desktop monitor user, can't understand the years-long resistance to this otherwise.

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think its very stupid that so many people criticize mozilla for engaging in ai.

Ai is the future.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

I think people fear it being an annoying default they can't switch off, instead of the useful supplement it currently is.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Many also fear that it will lead to misunderstanding and rampant misinformation. Which at the current trajectory is not an unreasonable fear.

If AI summarization becomes uncomfortably popular, I hope реοριe bеgiи цsing меtноds tо bгеαk iτ, whеп thегe is sомe imрoгtαиt inГогмαtiοn γоυ doи"t шαnt sцмmaгizеd, dυе tо рσteпtiаΙ foг мissrергeseпtатiοη bγ βαd sцмmагizαtiои Ьγ thе ΛΙ. ΜаγЬe sомeοηe сåп mаκе α tоοl tо do tнis αutοмаtiсаIly, siпсe it is tеdiоцs tο dø ît mаиυαIIγ.

(This comment is a demo on how that can be done.)

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

AI might be the future but certainly not like we're currently doing it, it's like saying "electric vehicles are the future" when you're only referring to cars.

[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 1 month ago

The Mozilla foundation also granted some money to ente a company that offers Google photos replacement with end to end encryption.

[-] Sl00k@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

Anyone used Ente? How is it?

[-] mac@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i downloaded it after the news the other day. Presently uploading >200gb of pictures.

Android App has a few quirks, not very snappy, but it looks pretty polished.

The on device ML seems to be pretty accurate once you start tagging people.

We'll see how it handles me throwing the 200gb at it because it was already stuttering a bit when scrolling through ~15gb of pics.

I havent had the chance to spin up an immich instance yet to compare the two.

All in all, we might need to wait for a longer term user to chime in, but as of now to me it seems good enough.

Edit: 2 weeks later. I installed immich on a proxmox node with a rtx 2060 super passed through. it flies compared to ente, which is to be expected as immich isnt e2ee. I will most likely maintain both libraries for now, but Immich is definitely a more complete product.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

But... Immich does this just fine, and is pretty great at it.

[-] Player2@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago
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[-] finestnothing@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Not everyone has the technical ability or hardware to selfhost immich, even just for LAN access. If I tried to teach my wife enough about docker/docker-compose to get immich set up, running, kept updated, and troubleshooting when it has problems... I would probably be limping away with a fork stuck in my leg. Could it be a fun project for people that are interested in it? Definitely, but most people want an easy cloud service that works as easily as data-gathering alternatives over something they have to maintain themselves even in the form of occasional docker-compose pull

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I think I'm going to wait until immich thinks so as well

[-] geography082@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have self hosted immich almost a year, tried to make it the standard for my family. For me it was a pain in the ass to keep it running and available to have a smooth experience on my family. I had to rebuild it several times because of complex behavior and a few breaking changes, the iOS app is not working properly, I ended up removing it, too much time consuming.

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[-] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Very happy Ente user here! It's a great alternative to Google Photos and Immich (since I think photos are too important to self-host).

They have an easy guide for migrating from Google Photos (basically they can import a Takeout export directly).

https://ente.io/faq/migration/from-google-photos/

I've got it installed on my phone with automatic backups enabled. It had no issues with duplicates from both Takeout and the existing photos on my phone. (I even did the upload twice due to running out of space the first time, and there were no dupes). The app has a pretty similar design to Google Photos, so it feels familiar. It also supports Google's version of "live photos".

You can create links to share albums or individual photos, and you can also add people to your plan.

I enabled the local machine learning analysis and, while it's not perfect, it does make for a pretty nice searching experience.

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Pretty good, very responsive to feedback on Matrix/discord. Great features, love it

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago

Yes, that's how it works. If you do bad stuff, people leave. They are no longer around to notice if you do good stuff.

[-] maniajack@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

Lemmy sure loves a circlejerk about shitting on Firefox.

[-] ghen@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago

I love my Firefox and no amount of downvotes could change that lol

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

People aren't shitting on Firefox, people are shitting on Mozilla and rightfully so. Mozilla has made many bad decisions, decisions that may call into question the future of Firefox and whether their decisions will compromise it as a privacy friendly browser. After all if Mozilla starts making changes which are harmful towards privacy and hard codes them into the browser, there's no getting around that with user.js tweaks, that requires more work to fix.

Thankfully there are forks of Firefox but since those depend on the upstream from Mozilla the more they change the harder it is to undo those changes. A manifest V3 style change (which isn't happening now but could happen in the future if they get into advertising), would be devastating, because even if Librewolf can undo those changes, it's very likely they would have to implement their own extension distribution system because AMO would very much reject incompatible add-ons in that scenario.

So yeah people do have the right to criticize Mozilla in this regard, this trend has happened before, it will continue to happen in the future. Enshittification is a slow and ugly process, best to catch it in the early stages than to wait it out until you're already boiling (frog boiling analogy).

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[-] Nobilmantis@feddit.it 47 points 1 month ago

Isn't this the same as "Total Cookie Protection" that was released a while ago?

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 87 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes and no, total cookie protection prevents cookies from loading from other sites, CHIPS is a new standard that makes it so that that is impossible* to begin with. (simpifying here but thats the idea)

*unless the browser allows it

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 13 points 1 month ago

my impression was that it was impossible already, because there was effectively a different cookie storage for every site

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 26 points 1 month ago

oh

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Privacy/Privacy_sandbox/Partitioned_cookies

CHIPS is similar to the state partitioning mechanism implemented by Firefox. The difference is that state partitioning partitions cookie storage and retrieval into separate cookie jars for each top-level site, without a mechanism to allow opt-in to third-party cookies if desired. As browsers start to phase out third-party cookie usage, there are still valid, non-tracking uses of third-party cookies that need to be permitted while developers begin to handle this change.

so this adds a setting to allow a site access to shared 3rd party cookies, when the site supports the feature?

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[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

You can embed bits of a website in other websites, that's how 3rd party cookies exist

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Perhaps if they made decisions like this more often in recent times there would be more people there when they do good stuff.

Edit: Cool to see someone botting this thread as well. I have now watched on three separate occasions someone vote up on mine and others comments only for a vote down to be applied within 10 seconds - 5 minutes in lockstep each time. This was in the first 15 minutes of the comment being posted.

2nd Edit. I've watched it happen 8 times now actually. I wonder what the odds are that over the course of ~2 hours there is exactly 8 people who agree and exactly 8 who don't who keep showing up within moments of one another.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You mean like isolating cookies?

Like integration state partitioning for the entire browser context, user-controllable?

Like adding vertical tabs?

Like background wallpaper options for new tab independent of themes?

Like site translations?

Like working on tab groups?

Like working on tablet UI options?

Like .. okay I'll stop.

Like with red traffic lights vs green traffic lights, always keep in mind that your brain does not want to actively notice/recall things going well. It's when things are annoying/interrupting that you remember.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 month ago

No, not like that! JUST LET ME BE HATEFUL FFS

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All I intend to say is that if I left when Mozilla thought it was a good idea to have an advertising company become involved in the development of their products and started tracking users without their consent (even if less invasively than cookies) with PPA, then surely I am not the only one who left.

This is a company that has previously sideloaded an extension into the browser without user permissions because of a marketing deal they made with a television show. As a result, I'm afraid im less concerned with the not-yet implemented features they may be working on or the features they have in place when there are a litany of other browsers available which don't fuck around with user permissions and privacy for advertising deals.

If I wanted a browser for tab grouping and UI stuff, I'd move to vivaldi, but at the moment firefox just doesn't seem to have the best UI or the best security and both of those are directly related to Mozilla's choices.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is valid, but I think that my criticisms are also valid and are not baseless.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Oh for sure criticism is valid, but it's funny how people always forget all the actual good stuff being added, too.

In general, not just Firefox-specific. People constantly forget how while Google search results have gone to shit, empyrical analysis showed that it went to shit more for other search engines (meaning if anything Google got comparatively better, but of course everyone got worse across the board, too). People constantly forget over all their little issues how some countries, including mine, have swapped >50% of their energy (from ~0%) to green energy in just 10 or so years. It's too easy to see only the negative things.

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[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No clue. I doubt it's a conspiracy, though. Just seems like a controversial take.

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[-] hate2bme@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago
[-] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 month ago

The mastodon version of a post or, sadly, tweet.

It’s, uh, not the best name.

But maybe, just maybe, it more appropriately attributes correct value to a social media thing. ;)

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Most people these days refer to them as posts, toots is older Mastodon linguo.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Etymologically, I think the word "tweet" was slowly being supplanted by "post" even before Twitter's name was officially changed to X. After all, "post" is universal, and there were many uses of thingposting that go back years, even on Twitter itself.

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[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 month ago

A mastodon, like an elephant, has a trunk it can sound like a trumpet.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 29 points 1 month ago
[-] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it's like someone looked at the word tweet and thought "how can i make this infinitely worse?"... i hope it never catches on. I don't know why people want their posts and announcements to sound like farts.

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is a bigger history on this. Involving the Mastodon developer Gargon and a famous YouTuber Hbomberguy:

https://mastodon.social/@Hbomberguy/146524

Gargon, at that time wasn't aware of the double meaning, as they where non-native English speaker.

It got changed back to "publish" relatively recent.

Personally I liked "toot" it was unique and funny. Many Mastodon-Users still prefer or use "toot".

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[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 11 points 1 month ago

Its catchy and funny and everyone remembers it once you tell them. In other words, its perfect.

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