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Are they TRYING to speedrun losing their credibility?
I need a new browser. :(
Right so what browser should I use now??? 😡
I genuinely believe that the Mozilla board is secretly working for Google. They already get most of their funding from that search engine deal, is a backroom agreement to slowly run the organization into the ground in order to force the last holdouts over to Chrome that hard to believe?
It's in Google's interest to keep Firefox/Mozilla alive to skirt antitrust laws, so any backdoor deal would be more making Chrome alternatives not look too attractive while keeping them on life support.
Don't ascribe intention where incompetence is enough.
It's better to treat incompetence as maliciousness, than to treat maliciousness as incompetence.
The benefit of the doubt should only apply in the absence of a longstanding pattern of behavior to the contrary.
IMO Mozilla has run out of goodwill.
IMO Alphabet has run out of goodwill by abusing their market dominance in a more overt way.
Looking forward to more aggressive action by FTC, note that tech donors have asked Harris for Lina Khan's removal as a quid pro quo.
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I don't think they're working for Google but I'm convinced that they're trying to setup their own advertising business
Trying to get some of that sweet ad revenue money
but Google controls so much of everything that of course they're indirectly funded by Google, so it may look like they're working for Google
In this Tecnofeudalist reality that we live in, we all indirectly work for our feudal lords Google / Meta / Amazon. We are granted their grace and allowed to exist in their server space and use their internet cables. In return we have to work the land and give our data as a tribute.
Ok wtf is Moxilla doing? They know their company is built on good community perception, right?
They honestly have a monopoly in the sense that they are the only think not Chrome
I mean they've been pedaling AI crap for a while without negative backlash.
Similarly they tried to ride the Blockchain train back in the crypto scam days and also didn't face any backlash.
They've publicly vouched to become an AI company and an advertising company without backlash.
I think most Firefox users don't care
What they mean with AI features is also their offline website translation feature, which is something I've wanted for years. The alternative is online Google website translation.
I think most Firefox users don’t care
Oh we care, but there's no alternative besides Chrome and Safari and those companies are even worse (Google definitely is, anyway, Apple is debatable)
Luckily there's still alternatives like Librewolf that unfortunately still use Mozilla's browser engine.
I do hope the Servo project will be ready to use in a production browser soon.
Apple is definitely just as fucking terrible.
Compared to Google? Idk. Google doesn't sell any products to the end user so that says a lot about who the customers are.
Apple sells products. Apple users ARE the customers.
No. Apple's just getting paid from both sides.
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Honestly a lot of Firefox users are eyeing forks
It's truly wild how hard of a heel turn mozilla has taken. I'm going to cancel my recurring donations to them, and get off all of their products.
Why would you donate to a company? I assume you are talking about the non profit
Because they are a non profit which makes stuff one likes?
holy shit you donated money to these wackos?
with so many OOS projects out there in need of funding, so many devs roughing it up, you donate to the advertising company Mozilla that has zero cash needs, they give million dollar bonuses to their executives every year.
Literally giving money to wacko rich executives
Haha hard to believe people are actually donating to Mozilla so that they can spend that money on political donations, exec salaries, and useless projects they kill shortly afterwards.
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I just canceled my MDN Plus subscription. Man, Mozilla has been so disappointing recently. I have to wonder if Google infiltrated them or something.
They are just really poorly managed
Sure, but it’s worth asking why the management is so poor. Many people have theorized that it’s because Google is pulling the strings; It would be in Google’s best interest to keep Firefox around on life support, because it helps them avoid antitrust lawsuits if they can point to Firefox and go “nope not every browser is Chromium based!” But it’s also in Google’s best interest to whittle Firefox’s usage down to near zero, which is what every single recent Mozilla decision has been aiming to do.
Mozilla was getting paid a lot of money by Google before Google got their hand slapped in an antitrust lawsuit. Many people have theorized that since that lawsuit, Google has pivoted to making deals directly with Mozilla’s management instead.
It doesn't really matter if they've been infiltrated, because they're so dependent on Google's cash. The money corrupts, even if there are no specific moles.
If Mozilla really starts to go downhill, what are the chances we get a Linux kernel-style community fork that we can rely on instead? Curious why that hasn't happened before -- perhaps because Mozilla has always toed the line of not-quite-awful enough?
I just hope we can keep an alternative browser engine alive. Would be nice if some rich person would just set up a funding model that can pay a few devs to keep it going indefinitely without ads or spyware.
It’s one thing to tweak a browser that comes in kit form from Mozilla’s code. It’s another thing altogether to continue maintaining it if Firefox ever dies. I don’t know if any of these clones have the kind of teams needed to do all the work Mozilla have done for them.
Librewolf is kind of like that. It pulls a lot from Tor
Check out AlternativeTo
I've been thinking of different browsers as well, but not sure which.
Def not Chrome or Safari though.
Because developing and maintaining an entire browser is a huge task. That's why we don't see much competition in browsers (I mean independent browsers). Also Mozilla isn't doing that bad, the browser is still really good. It's not the technical side that is a problem, its mostly marketing and the image of Mozilla.
Don't you like the Ladybird Browser and the browser based in Servo projects as alternatives?
They're literally happening right now, not ready for prime time but with continued development and support they'll become usuable
Servo is ridiculously behind Firefox
It's almost like they are intentionally trying to get in trouble.
I feel like the CEO of Mozilla is paid by Google to be as fucking stupid as possible.
Fucking stop with this conspiracy theory already, i'm reading it for the third time this thread. As if CEOs can't make bad decisions and there has to be a "realll11" reason.
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Jesus isn't rule number one of an employee suing you is to NOT FIRE THEM?
Seriously Monty Burns did this. Monty fucking burns. A cartoon villain
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EEO court here we come
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