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"Freeloaders" (lemmy.ml)
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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 301 points 2 months ago

Yes, but corporations pay into the system in other ways. Take for example the time Duke Energy had a big coal ash spill into a river. They took the income resources they had and not only paid a fair fine price, cleaned up the...

Wait. No they didn't. They passed on all the costs to their customers. Fortunately those customers were able to use the free market and choose another provider...

Wait. No, they can't. Huh. That IS a freeloader.

[-] Ismay@programming.dev 48 points 2 months ago

Damn I hated you on those first lines 😂

[-] no_im_doesnt@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Oh yes, I remember this. Duke assessed the river bed and determined that a cleanup could cause more damage and would be super expensive. So they did no cleanup AND increased rates.

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

increased rates

You think that assessment was free? Think again pal.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I was about to flame you up 😤😂

[-] slaveOne@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago

You had me going there for a minute

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I hate you. Wait no I don't 😂

[-] Painfinity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

Climate Town, is this you??

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

Lol, no, but maybe I was channeling him. Great Youtuber.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 104 points 2 months ago

Its funny how much owning a successful business sound exactly like being a lazy, work-shy layabout who does nothing while living off of other people's hard work.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 79 points 2 months ago

Racism is either a symptom or a tool:

Those who cant make sense of their situation being unsatisfactory may fall prey to it to soothe themselves.

Those who hoard all of the worlds wealth use it to distract from that fact.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Worth noting that a lot of the people raging about immigrants don’t see themselves as racist.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 31 points 2 months ago

I have a quote that fits this situation well:

When you‘re dead, you do not know you are dead. Its only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

It's not about inability to understand, mind, it's about unwillingness to understand.

There are plenty of people who have mental deficiencies who are well aware of that, and how much trouble they have understanding the world around them. But they at least try.

The same can not be said for those who are perfectly capable of understanding, yet simply choose not to.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago
[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Posts like this are important, but unfortunately in vain, I'm afraid. Those who still don't understand it will never understand it. I think they don't want to. I don't get it.

[-] warbond@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

I'd say it's still important to post and talk about, not for the people who know and don't care, but for the people who don't know and do care.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, I think so too. I just can't understand why so many people aren't able to hold those who are to blame for their misery to account. Instead, they allow themselves to be duped by their own enemies. It is incomprehensible to me how people can be so stupid.

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 23 points 2 months ago

Reading about The Bracero Program seems kind of wild in today's anti-immigrant US climate.

The Bracero Program (from the Spanish term bracero [bɾaˈse.ɾo], meaning "manual laborer" or "one who works using his arms") was a U.S. Government-sponsored program that imported Mexican farm and railroad workers into the United States between the years 1942 and 1964.

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[-] emerald 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd actually be willing to bet that we (the US taxpayer) paid those corporations for the privilege of their continued existence

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[-] Nurgus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago
[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Fastest way to get caught hiring undocumented workers is to not pay their employment taxes.

[-] Kaeru@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 months ago

Stupid question: If undocumented, how are they verifiably paying anything close to this figure in taxes? Pls respond

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 16 points 2 months ago

Not all taxes are collected, much of what we pay in taxes is added on to the cost of things.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

For example, sales tax.

[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

They can request and may be assigned an individual tax ID number (ITIN). Having an ITIN may allow them to open a bank account. It also makes it so they pay taxes which a surprising number want to do. Since they want to stay in the country, having a long history of paying taxes is a way to show you don't want to cause trouble and you just want to work. Hell, a lot of them probably know they got Al Capone on tax evasion and don't want to end up like him. Here's a report I just Googled, and possibly the source of the number which is an estimate.

On the other side is how much tax funding is used on them. Here's a report from the House of Representatives which states they use more in services (Medicare, WIC, sending kids to school, etc) than they pay. I can't speak to how accurate the report is considering the makeup and views publicly expressed by members of the committee. I'm personally leaning towards 'they don't, and can't, use as more than they contribute' because they're not eligible for many benefits.

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I love how in your last article it's a human centipede ouroboros

Macgregor said that “every alleged asylum seeker, illegal migrant pouring in through the border in Texas or wherever else” is given a monthly payment of $2,200.

Gheen added that ALIPAC “did not make the original claim about the $2,200,” pointing to Carlson’s interview with Macgregor as its source.

Macgregor cited an article published by a Houston radio station on its website to support the claim he made during the interview, which quotes Gheen and the ALIPAC release. The article was published a week after his interview.

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Sensible question. Nobody even knows how many undocumented people are in a country - because they're undocumented.

This has to be a made up figure. The sentiment might be correct but the data is dubious.

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Just because you're undocumented doesn't mean the IRS will give up on taking your money.

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[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How is the government getting taxes from people it doesn't know exist?? I thought you had to file your taxes yourself in America, why or how would the migrants even do that? Or if the employer is doing that, who do they say they are doing it for??

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Undocumented migrants still pay taxes that are built into systems we interact with, like sales, rent, mortgage, etc. They also frequently have payroll taxes taken out, and even file taxes using an ITIN instead of SSN. They also can't capitalize on govt. programs like section 8 or social security, so they are only able to contribute to these funding pools. Undocumented migrants generate billions per year in taxes for the US.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Filing taxes is how we get refunds for overpaying in the US.

Paying taxes is done for us, through withholding out of our paychecks (don't need a SS#, as a TIN will do here), sales tax on purchases of goods, and in other ways, like connected to housing, etc.

[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 18 points 2 months ago

While immigrants in the country without authorization do not have Social Security numbers, they can file taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or ITIN.

Reports about 3m people file using an ITIN each year, and the number of people expected to legally use them is very small.

Also says they see about $12B more paid into social security by illegals than paid out.

As Al Capone found, the government is would rather you pay tax on illegally earned money.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Every couple months I learn of another way the us government interacts with 'undocumented' migrants. I find it supremely silly that these people have identification numbers, pay taxes, are counted for the census and participate in elections but they're still referred to as 'undocumented'?? They clearly are documented, wtf does 'undocumented' mean then?

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

This is a good question and should be upvoted.

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[-] sozesoze@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Damn, Sam Reichs father is really big on social media

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

He worked for multiple presidential administrations and was in the cabinet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich

[-] sozesoze@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that was just a stupid Dropout joke ^^

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[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 12 points 2 months ago

Trump is not a free-loader though!? And now that I've planted that thought... can you remind me why not exactly - asking for a friend? :-P

[-] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

I don't think they care. I think they just say they are free loaders because what they really feel is hate towards people of other races and ethnicities, but they can't say it out load or often even admit it to themselves.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The real reason your taxes are high is because of... the bears!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The duty of the working person is to pay tithes to the ruling class. But these workers are also using public services and benefiting from public works.

The only solution is to privatize more state functions, in order to make sure all immigrants continue to surrender their surplus value to the native aristocracy.

And no more eating! I don't want to see any Haitians who look well fed. We all know what that means. Haitians are supposed to be in a half starved state at all times. Otherwise, I just know they're up to something.

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