I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”
He's evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.
The thing is it legitimizes them.
This isn't a new or unique problem.
I think Israel's government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don't say "even Nazis hate Israel".
I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.
Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I'd criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said "even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate".
I told them to fuck off and we weren't on the same team.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala's right and trump is bad...
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.
I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.
Have you actually looked at the polls?
The race is neck and neck.
You don't get to pick and choose at a time like this.
Maybe they should be reaching out to working people and not Cheneys?
Show me where Harris 'reached out' to Dick Cheney.
She didn't change anything to win over GOPs, they came over because they are sick of Trump.
She reaches out to the neocons with every single policy concession. Fracking. Universal healthcare. Student loans. Police reform. The ratchet continues, and all the liberals have to offer is "At least it's not fascism" as we help genocide Palestine and corporate power grows until it's practically the same thing as state power.
And what are you offering?
You really think that all the voters who didn't force the Dems to nominate a true Progressive in 2020 are going to vote for some as yet unnamed candidate in November?
We're in danger of drowning, and your response is to complain that the lifeboat doesn't have WiFi.
you realize trump clicked the ratchet far far faster than any democrat? When republicans win the dems only ever come back more racist in response.
This isn't an election, its a hostage situation and the way to deal with a hostage situation is to appear to negotiate with the hostage takers until you can remove them, its not to immediately attempt to kill all the hostages.
I don't see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don't interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate...but that's a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone's feelings, and there's already the problem of people on the left who can't have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.
Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.
Which would be fine and I wouldn't have made my comment.
That's not what's happening, moderate politicians and mainstream media are celebrating a war criminal's endorsement of Kamala...
So in your hypothetical scenario that's isn't based on reality, we'd agree.
But do you agree with me that in real life, we should be ignore Dick Cheney except to talk about how he still needs to be held accountable for war crimes?
Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.
All of the above are true statements.
Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.
Yeah, I'd argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.
Literally nobody is saying this. You're full of shit.
I hate the NPC Wojack meme with an intense passion. It's such a strawman trap. All it does is reduce the opposition to unthinking robots so they can attacked on their credibility rather than the merits of their actual arguments.
In this case, the media isn't saying Dick Cheney is a good guy now because he endorsed Harris. They're saying it's a surprising stance to take for the former VP of a Republican administration. It would be like having Al Gore come out and endorse Trump for President.
OP is 100% full of shit and more like an NPC than any of these media outlets.
If you think any media organization gets legitimate traction with level-headed, real reporting, congratulations! Your chip has been properly configured! You can now live life unburdened by critical thought.
They're all sock puppets for billionaires to sway public opinion.
Return2ozma ;)
It's like the shit-source these days.
who TF said he was good now, he's just jumping the ship before it fucking explodes.
Not even jumping ship, ship left without them.
It’s possible to hate Dick Cheney’s politics but also to agree with him that Trump is an autocrat who attempted a coup, and that’s dangerous.
We also probably agree that a post-coffee morning shit is satisfying.
People forget conservative politics are deeply personal. Dick Cheney being anti trump has everything to do with Liz Cheney being canceled by MAGA and is largely probably not a principled stance
I think the real take away is that even Dick Cheney and Bernie Sanders agree Kamala Harris is the better candidate.
That's a big F'ng tent.
can we get an actual quote of these sources supposedly saying he's a good guy? or are we supposed to just believe it cause someone photoshopped a speech bubble on a bunch of logos?
The rehabilitation of wealthy and powerful people with a disgusting past happens, not with fanfares and explicit exposition, but with gradual normalisation.
They are given platforms on respected media. Their opinion is sought on the current bête noire. They are given all this oxygen without ever having to account for their sins. All they have to do is play nice and rigidly follow the establishment consensus. Soon enough, once a commensurate (to the sins) amount of news cycles passes they'll be dignitaries again.
Conservatives are pretending they were always against Cheney. It's weird.
Conservatives are trying whatever they can to make people not vote for their opponents
It's like when The Joker realized Red Skull was an actual Nazi and Defected.
The strategy of prominent Republicans flipping to vote for Harris is specifically designed to help Republicans win Congress.
If Republican voters are demoralized by the prospect of Trump, a lot are going to just stay home and not vote at all. That would lead to a Democratic electoral sweep.
Cheney and other Republican ghouls’ best option to avoid this is to give permission to their voting base to toss their Presidential vote to Harris, but also get them into the polls so they can be reliable Republican voters down the ticket and try to keep the House and take the Senate.
FFS, quit giving the enemy oxygen.
Just because someone aligns with any viewpoint does not make him a good guy.
See Stalin and soviets.
Think of it as seeing rats abandoning a sinking vessel.
Worst thing for Kamala's campaign was that endorsement IMO
I don't think so. The rapidly shrinking slightly-saner right will probably find it pretty convincing.
They've been saying it indirectly for several years with their fawning over his daughter who has near-identical policy positions.
Including with regards to torture and the Iraq war, which she's still calling necessary and beneficial.
Obligatory reminder that Dick Cheney literally does not have a heart or pulse: his heart was replaced by a continuous flow pump.
Every president is a war criminal 😎
But some definitely more than others
William Henry Harrison wasn't a war criminal. At least not while he was president.
right media also switched him from bad to good now? doubt
I think Cheney and most pre-Gingrich Republicans have a commitment to the preservation of the Constitution and the Republic. Once Gingrich the philanderer came in and switched the Republican Party into all partisanship mode, things changed and people who don't put the Constitution first started seeping into the party.
Cheney was an establishment in the party long before that, so he still has those values.
But a commitment to preserve and defend the Constitution is probably the only thing I have in common with him. I welcome him insofar as that. Harris will do that. Trump will not.
For example, I don't think it's cool to shoot your friends in the face with a shotgun. Also I'm not a big fan of wars for oil.
The DNC is now the party of the neocons. Maybe Trump is so bad it's "necessary" but arguably in a two party duopoly that's effectively a sealed system, you're just swapping voters with the GOP to wind up still relatively 50/50, and I'm skeptical there's a geographical advantage to upper-crust, legitimately evil former republicans, who don't care for Trump's uncouth antics, as presumably most of those voters live in districts that are already blue-ish. You're literally giving up pro-peace voters in random districts across the country, potentially in tightly contested congressional districts, to run up your VA margin of victory.
I don't think Fox News is saying anything about him voting for Harris and if they are, it's not positive.
Source?
Return2ozma
Ie made up garbage-tier agitprop.
If anything this shows that trump isn’t just evil, he is just bad, as in incompetent bad, or like, your idiot AND evil cousin Donny bad.
No one is saying that "now he's a good guy".
Quite the opposite from what I've seen. They've been all saying "If Dick Cheney...one of the most divisive republicans of modern times, says that Trump is a threat...we should probably fucking listen."
It's like The Joker teaming up with Batman because even HE thinks The Riddler is "a bit much"
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