I'm sad that a lot of people couldn't perceive the mastodon in the room.
Mastodon isn't a straight replacement for twitter, bluesky is.
Why is that?
From what I can tell from within the Mastodon echo chamber: quote replies and moderation
Sure, but there are other ActivityPub protocol softwares that have quote replies and moderation, that aren’t Mastodon. I think the challenge is getting the average user to seek out an instance running one of those softwares and not just mastodon dot social.
Problem is there's no marketing money to make the better platforms more widely known because there's not as much monetization of the users to fund it.
I'm perfectly fine being part of a community not driven by capitalism. It means there's a lot less incentive to create spam bots. I also can't run my own BlueSky instance, but I can run Lemmy/Mastodon pretty easily, just like an email server.
Edit: I didn't realize BlueSky was also federated, but just using a different protocol. I don't think that was an option back when I set up lemmy.
Also a bunch of hinky weirdness and slowness.
The Technology Connections guy (Alec) threw some shade on Mastodon yesterday that seemed like a good example:
My favorite thing about Bluesky is that I haven't gotten a stream of notifications that I've been tagged in a post on a weird fork of the software which my client doesn't parse correctly so I only see one side of a conversation.
Federation is a pretty straightforward concept once you understand it and have basic knowledge of networking and software. However many people (apparently the majority of people) find it to be too complicated to understand.
Mastodon is a bi replacement for twitter.
the last time I tried to make a mastodon account I had to type a paragraph about why i want an account and then wait for an email approval and I don't know what the hell happened because I forgot to look for the email and by now I don't give a shit
Frankly? I'm happy that they didn't end in Mastodon. Most of those users would have negative value there, and in the Fediverse as a whole.
Twitter was always a cesspool of assumptive, entitled, whiny, nationalistic, context-illiterate users, who'd spend most of their time finding reasons to screech at each other (and at you) than sharing interesting content. That's regardless of language, but it was specially egregious among Brazilian users there. And it got only worse when Musk bought it, as suddenly the alt right users felt themselves justified to soapbox nonstop there.
Most people with a shred of dignity got the fuck out of that shithole ages ago. The ones not doing so were, most of the time, the ones saying "this is fine, this is how it's supposed to be". And those are the ones migrating to Bluesky now.
Someone might say "but we could integrate them into Mastodon. They'd behave better." Well... we're talking about a large horde of users, they'd be more likely to bring the place down than let the place bring them up. Eternal September style.
Wait people didn't join Mastodon as well? Just Bluesky?
That's actually a good question. Surely Mastodon and Lemmy instances should have also seen an uptick in registrations?
I saw some posts on Mastodon yesterday celebrating an influx of Brazilian signups, but it was pretty modest compared to the massive exodus to Bluesky. Which, honestly, seems about right and proportionate. (I love Mastodon, but it doesn't feel like a 1:1 replacement for Twitter the way Bluesky does.)
Early in, the Fediverse gained traction with people that were banned from Twitter and others when it had moderation besides for the word "cis" and to suppress leftist viewpoints. Now that Twitter has none, those people have crawled back alongside with the crypto bros, but the bad name generated by gab, truth social, etc. still prevail.
Also people are way too dumb to realize what an instance is (people already have trouble realizing e-mail is not a tech invented by Google for Gmail), defederation dramas, drama around loli, no algorithm "to suggest the users whatever they interested in", less users, generally fediverse apps being way less addictive, etc.
way too dumb
Or, more likely in most cases, don't care and don't want to care.
Can’t fault them. I went through three different instances, one because I disagreed with some of their policies, I don’t remember why I left the second one, I want to say it was technical issues but I honestly don’t remember. Then the third one got closed down because the owner had IRL issues they needed to take care of. Also that instance was on some defederation list because some mod from a large instance had an argument with a mod on my instance.
Ultimately I ran my own solo instance for a while but lost interest eventually. Mastodon is frankly a shitshow and as long as it stays like that, federation or not makes it just a slightly worse twitter, just with some mods taking the role of Elmo instead.
Non-twitter is fine in any form. Real progress is gonna be going to Mastodon, although that's hamstrung by user-unfriendliness.
While I agree with you. I don't think Mastodon is user unfriendly I think of it as a normie blocker. That being said, bluesky is owning class social media, I expect the enshittification to start now that they have a million + users.
"Normie blocker" is just how abnormies rationalize bad design
Except it's not. It's real easy to learn you can choose any instance you're welcome to. Normies are the ones choosing not to learn.
I do feel sorry for them because they're probably going to get pushed to the next billionaires social media in the next decade to be exploited there too.
Unless I'm completely missing something? What's so bad about the design? I'm pretty dumb and uneducated and I dig me some federated social media purely because it's genuine compared to the owning class social media.
user-unfriendliness.
I can't really disagree with this, since I've personally seen folks make a casual attempt and bounce off Mastodon, and it comes up enough online that it feels like it has to be true, but at the same time I've got this reflexive skepticism since I'm an absolute idiot and managed to figure out how to have a good time on Mastodon and really enjoy it. (I signed up in the spring of 2023, though, so can't speak to earlier times.) I think I'm probably closer to the normies than the stereotypical tech-literate Mastodon person. So I really wonder what it is specifically that frustrates folks enough to just give up on Mastodon when I, an amiable doofus of the highest order, love it so much.
I have additional Thoughts on cultural issues that might disappoint people who were expecting Mastodon to replicate whatever specific era of pre-Musk Twitter they yearn for, but it can't *just *be that. There has to be some technical barrier a lot of folks are stumbling over, right?
I think I’m probably closer to the normies than the stereotypical tech-literate Mastodon person.
Just from the fact that you are here, it is statistically likely that you are much closer to the tech literates than the normies. Can you search for a specific email in your email inbox? You're already way ahead of many people. You are severely overestimating the technical literacy of normal people.
In reality, mastodon doesn't achieve the same dopamine hit by design. This is both a good thing (less addictive, more conversational) and a bad thing (less retention, more opaqueness in statistics) depending on why you want to use or don't want to use social networks.
Mastadon has definitely improved it's user onboarding process. When I first tried, and failed, to use it 3 years ago it was awful. Signing up a year ago was a painless process. It may not be fully ready for the mainstream just yet, but it's definitely getting there.
Bluesky has gained a ~~million~~ brazilion new users...
I'm so sorry, it was right there. And yay for Bluesky!
As a brazilian, I'm now deeply offended that the ISO does not recognize brazilion as a valid amount
The fediverse is seeing an uptick as well. Els enshitofication continues. Good for us I suppose.
I had originally been 100% against Bluesky because of Jack Dorsey, but when he got so steamed about them doing things like actual moderation and left entirely back to Twitter to pettily suck up to Musk, I really started feeling like maybe Bluesky might not be so bad after all.
What are blueskys current userbase numbers, mastodons current userbase numbers, and are they federated with each other?
are they federated with each other?
no. there's a sort of a third party bridge, but it requires an account on one platform to follow a bot in order to show up on another, so if someone on Bluesky doesn't explicitly do it and you're using Mastodon, then you're not going to connect.
Two competing federation standards. The VHS and Betamax, or Blu Ray and HD-DVD, of 2024.
Bluesky: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats Mastodon: https://fedidb.org/software/mastodon
There isn’t a 1:1 comparison. But the closest comparison looks like Mastodon is on a bit of a decline at 800k MAU. Bluesky is roughly 400k daily likers.
Downloaded it. Signed up. Replied to a post about rechargeable batteries. Account got restricted. Left.
I am fine with this.
Blue Sky is the only one that allows porn and has no defederation drama, so I'm not surprised people went there. Instagram even put a banner telling people to try out threads but who would trust Zuck?
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