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Bluesky has gained a million new users in the last three days.
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I'm sad that a lot of people couldn't perceive the mastodon in the room.
Mastodon isn't a straight replacement for twitter, bluesky is.
Why is that?
From what I can tell from within the Mastodon echo chamber: quote replies and moderation
Sure, but there are other ActivityPub protocol softwares that have quote replies and moderation, that aren’t Mastodon. I think the challenge is getting the average user to seek out an instance running one of those softwares and not just mastodon dot social.
Problem is there's no marketing money to make the better platforms more widely known because there's not as much monetization of the users to fund it.
I'm perfectly fine being part of a community not driven by capitalism. It means there's a lot less incentive to create spam bots. I also can't run my own BlueSky instance, but I can run Lemmy/Mastodon pretty easily, just like an email server.
Edit: I didn't realize BlueSky was also federated, but just using a different protocol. I don't think that was an option back when I set up lemmy.
Also a bunch of hinky weirdness and slowness.
The Technology Connections guy (Alec) threw some shade on Mastodon yesterday that seemed like a good example:
I thought his name was Alec, not Alex.
It is. Autocorrect and bad proofreading. Thanks, fixed.
Jah, cool! Yeah there's a whole other set of problems for people with real followings... Not good
Also from my experience the users on BlueSky are pretty much a straight swap from Twitter. And by that I mean nobody ever bothers interacting with me at all.
On mastodon if I so much as rip a fart on there, *someone* will engage with it. On BlueSky? Nada.
I do really wish mastodon had normal quote replies. I believe they decided not include it for reasons related to harassment or bullying. I don't really get it since you can do practically the same thing but just linking to the post in yours. The mastodon UI even makes it look almost the same as a quote reply.
I do kind of like how it makes mastodon feel smaller since I cannot interact with or post quote replies, unlike Tumblr or Twitter. Those sometimes accrue millions of interactions. But it is a choice that will keep Mastodon small
Federation is a pretty straightforward concept once you understand it and have basic knowledge of networking and software. However many people (apparently the majority of people) find it to be too complicated to understand.
The average user is unfortunately, still to this day, an idiot.
Yes, I tried the mastodon app probably about 4 years ago before I knew what federation was. I could not figure out how to sign up and ultimately gave up. There needs to be an app/website that explains it well and guides you through the process.
And honestly both bluesky and mastodon do a poor job if this.
Mastodon does not have as many arbitrary restrictions for one.
Mastodon is a bi replacement for twitter.
the last time I tried to make a mastodon account I had to type a paragraph about why i want an account and then wait for an email approval and I don't know what the hell happened because I forgot to look for the email and by now I don't give a shit
When you try do sign up on the Mastodon app it defaults to and recommends mastodon.social, which does nothing of this sort. The average user will just keep this default and be fine.
im not sure what happened i think i was taking a shit
I didn't even know Mastodon has an exclusive club streak lol.
I was a redditor pre Eternal September. That was the beginning of the end for old reddit.
Wild that Reddit's creation is closer to the start of the Eternal September than it is to today (19 years).
The point of Eternal September is that it happens all the time, so when was that?
If you consider it's the influx of new users, then yes, it does happen all the time. Do you have a different definition?
Wait people didn't join Mastodon as well? Just Bluesky?
That's actually a good question. Surely Mastodon and Lemmy instances should have also seen an uptick in registrations?
I saw some posts on Mastodon yesterday celebrating an influx of Brazilian signups, but it was pretty modest compared to the massive exodus to Bluesky. Which, honestly, seems about right and proportionate. (I love Mastodon, but it doesn't feel like a 1:1 replacement for Twitter the way Bluesky does.)
They did, but it's nothing huge.
Early in, the Fediverse gained traction with people that were banned from Twitter and others when it had moderation besides for the word "cis" and to suppress leftist viewpoints. Now that Twitter has none, those people have crawled back alongside with the crypto bros, but the bad name generated by gab, truth social, etc. still prevail.
Also people are way too dumb to realize what an instance is (people already have trouble realizing e-mail is not a tech invented by Google for Gmail), defederation dramas, drama around loli, no algorithm "to suggest the users whatever they interested in", less users, generally fediverse apps being way less addictive, etc.
Or, more likely in most cases, don't care and don't want to care.
isn't that another way of calling ignorance aka being dumb?
There's only so many hours in the day. There is something to be said for doing the convenient thing that doesn't have a learning curve if you're just trying to enjoy yourself.
Of course, imho, being aware of your own lack of knowledge is something already.
Can’t fault them. I went through three different instances, one because I disagreed with some of their policies, I don’t remember why I left the second one, I want to say it was technical issues but I honestly don’t remember. Then the third one got closed down because the owner had IRL issues they needed to take care of. Also that instance was on some defederation list because some mod from a large instance had an argument with a mod on my instance.
Ultimately I ran my own solo instance for a while but lost interest eventually. Mastodon is frankly a shitshow and as long as it stays like that, federation or not makes it just a slightly worse twitter, just with some mods taking the role of Elmo instead.
Good. Super-fast growth fucks with local internet culture. Look at what happened to reddit when digg died.
Mastodon's original app is just trash Threads are completely unreadable, it should be like that of X