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image caption: A Microsoft Windows screen showing "Active Hours" with start time set to 12 AM and end time set to 12 AM and an error that says "Choose an end time that's no more than 18 hours from the start time".

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[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 184 points 2 months ago
[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You know. It's interesting. I've been trying out Debian 12 with KDE Plasma. It actually has been a joy and feels like what Windows 11 should have grown into, had Microsoft actually been designing software with the customer in mind.

...but then there have been times where things so easily critically break until you fix them. Don't get me wrong. I'll go mess with kernel code if I have to, so I'm comfortable, but... I just want my computer to work. Windows, for all its shittiness, still keeps working through it like a slow cargo train pushing through a park piled in millions of pancakes.

I had one event the other day where I was installing a Snap app for the first time. Decided rather than installing the Snap package manager because I wanted to avoid Canonical if possible, I'd just manually put it in /opt. Figured out how to edit the KDE "start" menu to add the app using the included GUI tool. Wanted to use the app's icon. The snap app had an icon embedded in it that Dolphin file manager recognized and displayed.

So I went, "ok, sometimes applications can parse out images from binary files. I've seen this work for decades," so I tell the menu editor to ingest the snap binary for the icon, to see if it will scrape the icon. No icon showed up, so I found a a svg online and assigned that to the icon.

Then I went and saved and launched another application.

GUI slowly started not working and eventually the entire OS locked, even the alt text consoles would not load. Ctrl+alt+backspace was dead, caps lock died, which was when I knew, "he's dead, Jim."

Tried rebooting, tried launching that program again, (bearing in mind, not the program I manually added to the "start" menu) and every time the whole OS freezes up. Tried launching apps in different order, launching from command line, etc. When the one app launched that wasn't the one I created a launcher icon for, same thing. Freeze. (It is possible that the bug is in fact time-based or boot-sequence-based, and since I was trying to reproduce the bug rapidly, the other app had nothing to do with it.)

I go remove the start menu link, hoping that, what I assumed was part of Plasma was trying to load this binary as an icon even though it should have checked the file, recognized it as "no I can't parse this," and done nothing or displayed an error or parsed it and showed the icon. Especially after I assigned it another image. I just hoped whatever screwed up would be connected to the code executing that app launcher icon config, and deleting the config for that application would delete whatever mess that was created, and hopefully was created discretely.

Shit you not, the computer became rock solid stable again after that and one more reboot. Hasn't glitched since.

It's shit like that that makes me proooobably give up on this experiment and end up on a commercial OS like MacOS again despite the cost and downward trend they are also suffering in a lack of innovative energy.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

With respect, you can screw up Windows by doing things in a non-standard way too. That's not the fault of the OS.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago

Don't use snaps.

Seriously.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Hey, good to know. It was one app that was only available as a Snap. Will look for alternatives.

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[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Just to mention also, I've been running Debian for much longer than I care to think about (since my teen years, I'm now in my 40s), with config file requirements that make arch look like lazy mode by comparison.

If you have to use something, flatpak wins, but personally I'd lean away from any of it as much as possible. The Debian stable repos are stable, so what's in there will work. Add flatpak to KDE Discover by installing plasma-discover-backend-flatpak to get that option in there.

But snaps should be strictly off limits. For everyone, tbh.

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[-] Disgracefulone@discuss.online 3 points 2 months ago

This was all good except I'd be remiss to not point out that millions of pancakes wouldn't slow a cargo train at all.

Proceed.

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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would use Linux more if:

1: I could host my desktop with Parsec (client support exists, but not host support).

2: Sunshine/Moonlight actually worked, as an alternative. It is broken and janky and isn't a substitute. I've tried. A lot.

3: I could wirelessly link my Quest 2. VR support is a hot mess and I'm still waiting for a solution to wirelessly link my Quest 2 in linux that actually works and doesn't require a month of programming a solution myself.

4: Better compatibility with some stuff. Proton gaming works most of the time, but not for the titles I play.

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[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As a linux user myself I don't care about Adobe or Microsoft hate how someone brings those apps I DONT USE THEM

[-] grue@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago

The only way to stop having an abusive relationship with your computer is to ditch the OS for something that isn't Microsoft.

[-] cupcakezealot 10 points 2 months ago

my next laptop is going to be a thinkpad as soon as i save up. :)

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

A questionable chinese company laptop...

[-] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 7 points 2 months ago

As opposed to:

  1. Calling your neighbourhood tech bro with a nanoscale fab for a RISK-V CPU
  2. Sourcing laptop parts from nearby manufacturers providing full schematics
  3. Designing your own cooling setup to match all the component sizes
  4. Machining your own enclosure and assembling it al yourself

We're not there yet. I'm still dreaming.

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

lenovo is legendary for pulling proprietary designs out of standards - meaning something as simple as your graphics card drivers are now beholden to how long lenovo supports the laptop and no further... what wifi adapter you put in, because slapping an intel card isn't a thing you can do without the firmware going "ah NOPE you must have a genuine®️ lenovo™️ wifi adapter to boot this machine!" ... and then there's the soldiered on 4-8 GB RAM, which definitely won't fail and require a whole mobo replacement...

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 2 months ago

Another person discovers that big tech has taken control of our computers without asking permission.

Well, your computers. I run Linux. It only does what I tell it to, not the other way round.

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[-] chris@l.roofo.cc 17 points 2 months ago

Why do you want to disable updates? Just don't. It's unsafe. For you and others.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 51 points 2 months ago

You know what else is unsafe? Letting Windows force the auto-update and break your bootloader (and that's just their latest fuck-up).

[-] cupcakezealot 42 points 2 months ago

i don't want to disable updates; i want to disable the random auto restart.

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

It’s basically saying that it needs a 4 hour window for potential updates. Hence why it can’t be more than 18 hour difference.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago
[-] RaccoonBall@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Not usually

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

It isn't random. You just set a maintenance window and don't care

[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago

Because it’s his computer and he should be able to do whatever the hell he wants with it?

[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 7 points 2 months ago
[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

It's not their internet though.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 13 points 2 months ago

I would agree, but there's been at least two updates in the last six months that restarted my machine before I even got to see the pending restart warning. I use it every day and shutdown if I won't be. So the restart happened less than 24 hours after any warning if there even was a warning.

That has the potential to lose things I'm working on. Windows pathetic attempt to bring things back falls woefully short of functional.

Flash up alerts to say there's critical updates, but the action to actually restart should be a human interaction.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

Because Microsoft is updating to add ads to the 10 start menu is one reason. Security probably outweighs that, but it's super annoying.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

If CrowdStrike has taught us anything, it’s that blindly trusting automation can be equally (if not more) disastrous.

It’s one thing to ask me to update, but give me options; including to not update. There are machines out there in the world that still run Windows 95. They are vital to manufacturing processes, and cannot be updated because they run software that is no longer updated and there is no inexpensive alternative. It happens.

While that may not be the case in this circumstance, the point is that it’s up to the operator to determine when it’s time to update, not Microsoft.

Anecdotally, the only reason Microsoft does this is because people historically do not update their software regularly. Why? Because it’s burdensome and problematic. Whose fault is that? I’ll give you three guesses; the first two don’t count.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

If you stay up to date it won't force you to update. The problem is when you keep putting off updating. It is the same for any system.

Also the manufacturing type machines are not internet connected and are in a high security environment.

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The point the other commenter is making, which I fully agree with, is that I can have legitimate reasons for not wanting to update. Windows shoving updates down my throat when they can potentially break critical stuff on my machine is pretty much just equivalent to forcing malware on me.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do what you want instead of what we want? Lol, no. And if you find a registry hack or something to do it, we'll 'fix' that in the next update.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Why wouldn't you just set it to when you go to bed

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Hmmm, this comment should be higher, but, you know, lemmys want to hate on Microsoft, so damn the voice if reason, I guess.

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The real solution is to set it so it starts just before you are supposed to wake up, and ends 6 hours before that. That gives you the active hours as intended, and it won't reboot the system in the middle of work ever again.

[-] jcg@halubilo.social 6 points 2 months ago

Doing this gives big bow to the machine energy for me, I don't like it.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Is there not a registry setting you could use to disable it?

[-] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 11 points 2 months ago

There is, pretty sure there's a GPO too. There is an option in this debloat tool for it too.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Hey thanks. I’ve starred the repo for later reference.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

If you disable it make sure you install updates at least once a month

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 months ago

I was thinking it was in the registry somewhere, so I could write a program that moved it about every few hours to prevent a restart.

However, I can't find it. Presumably to stop me doing exactly that.

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