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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago

“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Actually we just won an election

Ok that's just an outright fucking lie.

The Bolsheviks didn't start "winning" elections until they'd already forced everyone into supporting them, the 1917 election featured the Bolsheviks being blown out of the goddamned water by the SRs, and getting tailed pretty hard by the Ukrainian Regional Socialist Party

All this comic does is bend history into absolute knots to try and sell an image of what a democratic revolution would look like, but the tone and telling it represents is blatantly revisionist to a fucking maddening degree.

[-] toastus@feddit.org 34 points 3 weeks ago

What are you talking about?

This strip is not even about the actual Bolsheviks.
Everything the "Bolsheviks" say is boilerplate stuff a modern democrat (or any reasonable person for that matter) would want.

The whole joke is that the republicans frame super normal stuff as communism.

Did you really not get that?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

Getting the joke doesn't make it funny or any less irresponsible a way to invoke a historical period for sending a message.

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

This strip is not even about the actual Bolsheviks.

Have you skipped over the first panel?

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

That's clearly where you stopped reading.

[-] UnityDevice@startrek.website 5 points 3 weeks ago

The first panel ruined it for me as well, though. It's meant to be political allegory, sure, but the first panel just makes it bad history instead.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's too absurd to be taken seriously. Like how in the second panel the guy with the evil goatee says "Now we get to do all of our evil communist stuff!". Another factor is that even if you were to take this seriously, it would portray the the bolsheviks as ineffective liberals. A Lenin/Stalin apologist would not portray them that way. And most people don't get their history lessons from 9-panel comic strips.

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

not about the 1917 revolution. kinda like how MASH wasn't about the korean war.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

MASH was invoking historical parallels.

This is just inventing them out of thin air in an era that is already overflowing with rampant politically motivated disinformation.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Look at Mr. No Media Literacy here.

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[-] Neon@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

I mean I get it, but it still feels very disrespectful towards all the eastern europeans killed by bolshevism

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In my opinion that is the second layer to this comic. Bolsheviks were pretty autocratic and tyrannical, so comparing their deeds towards left leaning politics today is disrespectful to the real victims.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

yeah, I know, I get it. Consciously, I absolutely get it. But subconsciously...

It still somehow strikes the wrong tone in my opinion. I don't know how one could do it better, I just know that it irks me the wrong way.

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

You're not saving anyone, and victims of bolshevism are not victims of this comic. Please stop making problems up.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 weeks ago

This thread has been a lesson in how many ways people can find to miss the joke. The cartoon isn't that subtle, surely?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I really thought the joke was obvious. Apparently not.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe if you aren't familiar with US politics? Even then, the last panel should clue you in.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, the bolsheviks would just have shot them. The whole family. Yes, kids too. Probably they would have raped them before and/or after. Then set the house on fire.

[-] plandeka@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck Trump and Musk, but seriously, this comic is just shit. Whatever you people call communism in the US has nothing to do with what actual communism was or is. The communism had its elites and whoever claims that people were or are equal under communism is just an ignorant. And, most importantly, communism in Soviet Union was just a brutal regime which silenced the opponents by killing or torturing them.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

The comic is mocking the idea that Republicans call Democrat policies "communist." If they were, this is what the Communist Revolution would have looked like.

[-] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago

Okay now I got it, I was second guessing if it happened like that in Russia during the revolution.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, before I got to the end it kinda looked like tankie apologism.

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[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure that's the point of the comic.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 weeks ago

My take for the comic is that voting for those "communists" will not change anything, and capitalism will still eat us alive.

There has to be some option that is not Bolshevik dictatorship or capitalism with some virtue signaling dressing.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

There has to be some option that is not Bolshevik dictatorship or capitalism with some virtue signaling dressing.

Knocks on your front door Hello, do you have a few minutes to talk about Anarcho-Communism?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

THE VERY DEFINITION OF COMMUNISM

[-] tilefan@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think that's how it went

[-] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

That's a pretty big reach for most people though. To realize that the depiction is of what Trump says is communism and not actually Russian communism. Most people are going to regard this as communist propaganda attempting to cover for Stalin. (They won't even know Lenin was in charge in 1917) And they will disregard it completely.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

They explain the joke in the last panel.

[-] tilefan@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

oh. then I don't get it

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'm having nightmares every day about the poor billionaires having to pay something slightly more close to their fair share in taxes! When will this horror end?

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Presumably the joke is that the propaganda was written by the billionaires to make you scared enough to vote for them. But since they were writing propaganda anyway, might as well try to convince everyone they are handsome at the same time!

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Damn, this post is like a zoo for people not understanding irony and sarcasm

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

The number of people trying to explain that the Bolsheviks weren't actually like that depress me. Why are they in a political memes community if they don't know that Trump and Musk are accusing Democrats of being communists based on their pretty milquetoast policies?

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

The number of people trying to explain that the Bolsheviks weren’t actually like that depress me.

I suspect that most Americans don't really know who the Bolsheviks were, and only have some vague idea of what Communism is. Even on Lemmy.

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

And that USSR never got to Communism, it was a socialist state with plan economy, that promised people that "one day we'll be able to move away from this imperfect system to some real cool utopian stuff, we just have to work hard for 20 more years". And it was 20 more years each year until USSR fell apart. So, nobody ever lived in a true communist state.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think if it had been placed in America it would have been better received. People don't expect to have a serious conversation about critical reading skills in a meme community. They're used to one liners and moving on.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

But placing it in America ruins the joke. The whole point is that it was absolutely nothing like that.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Well there needs to be a better way to communicate the message then because it got lost in the noise.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe. I just plan to be over here in the corner weeping at the death of satire.

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[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

You won't be able to save people who are unable to draw parallels between a hypothetical and a real situation, even when they are given a dozen hints.

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[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, I got it. I just wanted to double dip with the “Trump ugly” jokes.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

He was a 6 or 7 in 2010. Now he’s like a 4 or 5.

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