Separated bike lane is the only way. Anything else is knowingly getting bikers killed.
Nuh uh. My city painted pictures of bicycles on the asphalt in the right lane of a busy road, so now drivers know it’s also for bikes and it’s suuuuuper safe.
That’s what Big Bike Lane doesn’t want you to know. You don’t need to build a bunch of infrastructure to separate cyclists and cars - you just need paint! Especially the new kind that wears off the road in less than a year and doesn’t get repainted.
In my city, all of the pictures of bicycles on the asphalt are underneath parked cars.
I thought about making some stickers that say like "I'm as asshole that parks in the bike lane" and slapping them on cars that were doing so, but I'd probably get caught and sent to jail for a decade.
Come to my city, Edmonton, Alberta. Vehicles regularly drive on dedicated bike lanes. Poor signage, barricades and dumb drivers.
Separated bike lanes. Not by a line of paint or some curb at the intersection but by several feet of physical barrier. Raised planters work well and are attractive but putting the parking strip between traffic and bikes (as long as the parked cars can't open doors into the lane) also gets the job done.
I drive a motorcycle regularly. I make it a habit to check where people ahead of me are looking (by looking into their side mirrors) so I can predict whether they'll merge into me.
About 1/3 of drivers are on their phones, not looking at the road at any given time
I ride as well and I apply this method to driving my car too.
Yeah, but do you actually wear high vis?
Vest and helmet cover?
Or are you one of those people that say noise is the only indicator completely disregarding the advances in car sound proofing that only makes loud bikes an annoyance to pedestrians?
Did you know by mile driven, motorcycles kill more pedestrians than cars or trucks?
Compared with cars, the RR of killing a pedestrian per vehicle mile was 7.97 (95% CI 6.33 to 10.04) for buses; 1.93 (95% CI 1.30 to 2.86) for motorcycles; 1.45 (95% CI 1.37 to 1.55) for light trucks, and 0.96 (95% CI 0.79 to 1.18) for heavy trucks. Compared with cars, buses were 11.85 times (95% CI 6.07 to 23.12) and motorcycles were 3.77 times (95% CI 1.40 to 10.20) more likely per mile to kill children 0–14 years old. Buses were 16.70 times (95% CI 7.30 to 38.19) more likely to kill adults age 85 or older than were cars. The risk of killing a pedestrian per vehicle mile traveled in an urban area was 1.57 times (95% CI 1.47 to 1.67) the risk in a rural area.
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232
Literally 3.77x more likely to kill a child per mile than a car, and you're focusing on peeping in windows as you zip by?
So can you please stop trying to see how many car drivers are on the phone while you ride one of the most dangerous vehicles possible for you and people minding their own business walking around?
Your hobby isn't more important than people's lives, even if it makes you feel better about other shortcomings you may be dealing with and can't change.
Note the publication year of the article, and the year of the data collected. 2005 and 2002, respectively. Trucks and SUVs are demonstrably larger and more prevalent on the roads in the last twenty years in the US, and those were pre smartphone.
And plenty of us ride motorcycles for commuting and economic reasons, they're not only toys... Even if it is a vehicle that attracts a bunch of assholes, which I'll clearly admit
Hey I think you missed this extremely important part of your quoted source:
Results: Passenger cars and light trucks (vans, pickups, and sport utility vehicles) accounted for 46.1% and 39.1%, respectively, of the 4875 deaths, with the remainder split among motorcycles, buses, and heavy trucks.
Hey I think you have never taken a statistics or logical reasoning course.
Yes in total number cars and light trucks kill the most pedestrians. That's not what is being discussed.
Per mile driven, motorcycles are more than 4x more likely to kill a pedestrian. If motorcycles were used the same amount as cars and light trucks, the total number of deaths per year from them would be almost 20,000 people
Motorcyclist are statistically more dangerous drivers to pedestrians.
I am glad to see you made an attempt to identify your error, but that's the wrong logical fallacy.
What you did is:
Hey. I think you don't understand average or what the phrase "per mile driven" means.
There's a shit ton more cars and trucks than motorcycles.
But per mile while you're operating a motor vehicle, motorcycles kill more pedestrians
Does that make sense?
If not, can you clarify what in this sentence is causing your confusion?
Did you know by mile driven, motorcycles kill more pedestrians than cars or trucks?
Seeing a cyclist in hi-vis is enough for a driver to downgrade their phone to iOS 9
Anytime I'm cycling I make sure I know where every car is and never let any vehicle sneak up on me, because I expect car drivers to be distracted and oblivious to most laws of the road. Because of this I've not had any close calls yet
Using light mode on your phone prevents getting blinded by hi-vis tech. Or by flashbang/stun grenades. Or by nukes.
Instead, you try flash-banged by your phone.
I've had a few times in a few metropolitan areas where I had no car, and commuted 15+ miles of urban riding a day.
Both times started super conservative with my riding. By the end of was blowing lights and stop signs, had a whistle necklace, carried pepper spray, and was happier than I had ever been in traffic in a car.
Stop signs and traffic lights are a car concept. Pedestrians don't need them and have NEVER needed them because they move slow and can see all around them without blind spots. Cyclists are a lot closer to pedestrians than to cars unless you're in an ebike with no governor. Ride on man!
As some asshat in a reflective vest and a strobe light on his forehead blows a stop sign.
Perfectly legal in my state (MN) as long as that "asshat" would have the right of way if they stopped. I also see pretty much everyone doing a rolling stop in a car which IS illegal.
I'll get downvoted and told I'm an idiot and whatever else, but I just ride on the sidewalk and it takes all the issues away. It's a million times better to me, and when I'm in a car I fucking hate cyclists in the road. You guys can keep putting your lives on the line if that's what makes you feel good, I guess.
It's illegal to cycle on the pavement in many countries, and it's a danger to pedestrians.
In my experience you will generally only be stopped if you are riding in a way that's a risk to the pedestrians around you, and there's plenty of ways to avoid that. Police have better things to go after unless they are deliberately trying to fish for fines income.
Police may have better things to do but periodically they are still there giving fines for not having lights or cycling on the driveway, easy cash low risk
I'm not riding my bike at 30MPH with my eyes closed, so so far no incidents.
We need a change in our culture. Selfish, foolish impatience, drivers insisting they OwN tHe RoAd is exactly what's killing pedestians and cyclists. You can get where youre going fast enough, but it's never enough. Fuck that noise, bunch of drunkards ( be it on alcohol or arrogance)
We all know there's no non-hostile way to interact with others when youre behind the wheel. Its just the nature of such a heavy vehicle traveling at speeds to where collision destroys the human body. Business men made it this way, and big business never cared about you or me.
I don't have an iPhone what's blue vs green?
Blue means the other person has an iPhone, green means android (or not an iPhone)
I think the joke may have been that it doesn’t matter because the driver is looking at their phone anyway. (But I’m not sure)
Green means text message, blue means iMessage
If you turn off iMessage then iphone to iphone will be green
Even with drivers on cellphones, per mile driven motorcycles kill more pedestrians than cars.
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232
And I don't think we need to mention how much more dangerous a motorcycle is for the person riding it.
There's a big push to always blame drivers of four wheel vehicles, I've never heard a good response for why motorcycle riders kill almost 4x as many children pedestrians per mile driven than car drivers though.
I'm sure it's totally not their fault and if they make their exhaust more obnoxious it will fix everything tho...
This was a surprising tidbit. I’d love to hear some hypotheses of why this might be the case. It seems surprising that a motorcycle would result in more deaths than a car. I wonder if this holds true year over year. I tried to find more info but couldn’t really find anything and I wasn’t going to pay 50 dollars for the article.
Seems like a relatively low number of deaths caused by motorcycles though, so it seems like death by cars/light trucks should be our main focus. (Just as long as it doesn’t result in more people driving busses or, apparently, motorcycles)
I do hate how loud some motorcycles are.
Blue text occurs in Apple’s own text app, Messages. Green text indicates someone who isn’t using Apple’s Messages app.
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