Ah, I see you said something controversial, like "Theocracy bad" or "Imperialist capitalist state bad". The tankies don't like those positions for some reason.
Bruh I poked the hexbear once when a dude was arguing over exactly how to classify the Uyiger genocide. Something about how "it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing" they really didn't like when I pointed out just how weird of an argument that is. Fascists usually short circuit pretty fast under redicule
it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing
Those are synonyms, FFS. π€¦ββοΈ
Dude needs to crack open a dictionary or a thesaurus.
It's only a genocide if it comes from the state of Germany. Everything else is just sparkling ethnic cleansing. /S
I had one argue "the Soviet space program did amazing things without the benefits of imperialism", which is a statement I can only ridicule. Then, to prove how not imperialist the Soviet Union was, he proceeded to explain how much imperialism the United States did. Yes, I'm quite aware of how much imperialism the United States did. That's not the issue here.
I originally joined Lemmy with a lemmy.ml account by mistake. I was arguing with a brainlet who told me the Soviets could not possibly have been bad because they fought the Nazis. When I asked what that meant regarding apartheid USA I got banned from .ml.
I've never been able to figure out the basic ideas behind their opinions. It's something like US conservatives, where it's something stupider than you can even guess at, but less predictable.
Understand that some or most of the key posters there are literally pawns of Russian or Chinese intelligence. Troll farms, wumao, what have you. Whether they are literally government employees or contracted through a third party, their purpose is to astroturf positive optics of their employer and negative optics of the US/the West as a whole. A more sinister interpretation, they are trying to destabilize the West by doing things like trashing Biden, now Harris, hoping to secure a chaotic and inwardly destructive Trump presidency.
Anything they say is to service these goals, anything they believe is mutable to these goals, and nothing they argue is in good faith.
I've seen some downright insane takes on how what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs is not as bad as it seems.
It sure is odd how hexbear loves the absolute fuck out of Russia and China.
I've been there, but I mostly just do it anyway. Fuck it, I said what I said. Half the time you don't even get anything all that cutting, it's just png salad. Every now and then, you'll get a coherent response that isn't a death threat, and those end up being good reads more often than not.
Yeah I don't think much of it either.. They just take offense to something doesn't even apply to them lol
I got banned from hexbear and lemmygrad like a year ago without ever even posting in either community, just for arguing with some of their users under a post on lemmy.ml
The only surprise there is that you weren't banned from lemmy.ml also.
Very happy to be on an instance that blocks them entirely. The couple of weeks we were federated was a couple of weeks too long honestly.
I forgot to block the instructions, left an unpopular opinion on a post. I wish I blocked it like I thought I didn't.
Everyone just goes straight to being an asshole there, no middle ground.
.ml is the same way. People were getting deleted left and right for posting about Maduro fixing the election in Venezuela. Not realizing it's freaking .ml. Even when told, "the mods are just enforcing the instance rules" they didn't get it.
We should just defederate all the ml domains, it would greatly improve the Lemmy experience.
Defederate them for having a different political worldview? Defederation is supposed to be for extreme circumstances. There's not a problem that .ml communities cause of people breaking the rules here. I'm not saying there aren't toxic people from lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml, there definitely are, but there's nothing to justify defederation.
If instances just start defederating other instances for hosting a lot of communists then the platform's gonna fall apart lol.
You can block instances if you don't like them. You don't have to decide what the best experience for all us other lemm.ee users is.
It's not about an ideology. It's that they make it their identity. If someone founded a server and community for lemmy.fascists I wouldn't blame a lot of people for not wanting to Federate with it as well.
While they like to talk to talk. They'll do anything but walk the walk. Ml governments have been some of the most brutal and repressive in existence. And this is not a defense of anyone else. just a critique of them. There's plenty of criticism to go around. However Leninist are particularly hypocritical, bad faith, and specifically not worth engaging with when it bleeds over into every other discussion.
You just comment something like "humans good" and the pro-russia tankies start arguing with the anti-russia tankies under your comment...
So before I knew shit about the fediverse I was trying to find and instance and I thought "oh neat I'm a leftist," and created an account on hexbear. I was not prepared at all for that. I didn't know what a tankie was and I was just legit confused for a minute.
Can relate, the people from that instance are bonafide shitrilers, born a century too late to join Hitler's youth so they join hexbear instead.
I'm new here, I don't even know what the fediverse is. What does this mean?
As Goat has said, this platform (Lemmy) is comprised of instances, some, like Lemmy.world, are general instances, and some have a specific theme or type of content they cater to. There's one for furry porn, one for regular porn, for example, and one for utterly insufferable Internet communists who make a point of behaving badly in other communities.
Communists are somewhat like collapsniks. I donβt want to bully or torment them, life kicked their butt already. But tankies, damn they deserve some bullying from time to time for all the stupid shit they say.
I'm fine and usually agree with people who are economically left. I find I usually disagree with people who love state capitalism so much they will excuse whatever human rights abuses occur under it.
I'm somewhat convinced that all the Tankie servers have some unspoken agreement to ban the same dissenters.
I doubt it's even unspoken.
Never post you bear ass in IncantationUrsine, always make sure you are in MagicBear community where friendly sugar bears updoot and compliment you.
The irony is, yeah, the tankies on hexbear and ml are bad. But the rest of lemmy is bad as well. Everyone is completely indoctrinated these days. It's just complete polarization and extremism. Everyone just reads their corner of the news and needs to believe one side or another.
Not everyone. I'm really actually clueless. The state of the country I live in is so bad that I have just given up.
Do like me, don't watch your country's news and laugh at the US instead. Yeah I'm coping however I can
Keep in mind, the more extreme someone's views, and the more strongly they hold them, the more likely they are to share them and argue the case.
You just don't hear from people with moderate views all that much, I think.
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