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Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee for president, fired back at pro-Palestinian protesters of Israel's war in Gaza as they interrupted her speech during a Wednesday night campaign rally in Detroit.

"You know what? If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking," Harris said with a long stare, drawing loud cheers from supporters in the crowd before chants of, "Not going back!"

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

Trump existing is the biggest gift the Democrats have ever gotten and they still lost an election to him. Their fundraising skyrockets if Trump is involved on the other side and they don't have to do anything because they just keep yelling about the boogyman. It's exactly how Republicans use the immigration issue and how Netenyahu uses Hamas.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago

"Don't protest our complicity in genocide or else you'll lose democracy and freedom."

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 43 points 1 year ago

Well, Mrs. Vice President, if you don't want my vote in November, then say that.

[-] superb 35 points 1 year ago

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right? Kamala could have responded so much better, but that means we roll over?

I just can’t get behind this take. It’s like the religious people who actively seek out the end of the world so they can all be raptured.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 16 points 1 year ago

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?

That is the risk the Kamala campaign is apparently willing to take.

[-] superb 10 points 1 year ago

We’re talking about your personal actions, but yeah go off king. Take no responsibility, your actions mean nothing

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

This genocide is our responsibility, because our tax dollars are paying for it. Our politicians are supporting it.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?

It isn't. Keep trying. If she keeps refusing, vote for an anti-genocide candidate like Jill Stein.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

I mean...Do you want trump to win?

[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago
[-] ski11erboi@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

You're assuming her completely condemning Isreal would help her win the election but I don't think it's as simple as that. There's still a massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters in the US.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 14 points 1 year ago

Is this massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters who aren't just voting for Trump anyway in the room with us right now?

[-] Triteer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

No, they're in Missouri voting out Cori Bush, and in New York voting out Bowman. But I guess if you just want to ignore the very real evidence we have, sure, there's literally no Democrats supporting Israel.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Genocide is wrong. You have to oppose genocide. It is as simple as that.

"Oh, no! I can't stop the genocide, even though I have all the power to do that! It'll cost me votes!" Well, it's also going to cost you votes if you don't do that, so I guess we'll see in November.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. That's why I'm frustrated with Kamala for alienating anti-genocide voters so far.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Sure, but who are you voting for? Or don't you take any responsibility for your own actions like so many others who blame her for their vote?

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Nobody wants Trump to win. Kamala doesn't want Trump to win. Which is why this reaction is so dismaying. It's her actions that are helping Trump to win, not the protesters'.

[-] GarrulousBrevity@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

There is no room for these things to be a topic of conversation if Trump wins. This way of thinking has no path to resolving the problem.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 16 points 1 year ago

Same excuse every four years.

[-] GarrulousBrevity@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

That assumes that things haven't changed, and that Trump doesn't represent the backlash to that change. The Dems don't change things as fast as you would like, but why is back pedaling better than that? I swear, this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election. The republicans only win when voter counts are low. You are talking like you want Trump to win.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election.

I'm not skipping the election. I'm voting for the candidate who is standing against the genocide, Jill Stein.

Dems need to learn kicking the can down the road doesn't work when scientists say the road ends in like 40 years unless we change big things.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

You must not have heard about the trolley problem. I'm sure if I logically explain why you should ignore the deaths of your family members you would go vote. /s

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Holy fuck it’s like everyone commenting on this post simply refuses to understand the deeply dismaying and unfortunate - but very real - amount of influence AIPAC has on the entirety of the US political system.

I agree that it’s stupid and bad. But not admitting that it’s a real influence that has the potential to, you know, help the fucking fascists win is absolutely, categorically idiotic.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

"We have to let Israel do genocide or they'll install fascism in the US."

Uh.

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[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I feel like AIPAC is just a way for US politicians to get a higher salary. The feds give Israel money and an Israeli government associated agency gives politicians money directly.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Kamala doesn't want Trump to win, then she should probably do what the voters are asking of her. --Whatever that is. Not listening to the voters could make her the second person to ever lose a presidential campaign against Donald Trump which would make her utterly pathetic.

[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Get fucked, lady.

[-] proper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

it smells like shit in here

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago

I wish she'd try triangulating instead. Maybe champion the idea of enforcing globally agreed upon rules and connect that to taking on the "Trumps of other nations"

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Common, everyone knows she is an establishment politician, pushed by hundreds of millions of Israeli money and the military industrial complex. she has no empathy to the tens of thousands of children being bombed in Gaza with American money and American made bombs.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 8 points 1 year ago

Brat girl Summer, woo!

[-] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Dumb. Acting like the good cop to Trump's bad cop routine is turning tons of people off. "You'd better cooperate with me now or I'll have to bring my associate in here, and he won't be so nice!"

Supposedly Harris told a representative of the uncommitted voting bloc from the Dem primaries that she was down to meet to discuss an arms embargo on Israel, but I wouldn't hold my breath. She needs to be more forthright about her stance, because the subtextual indications of being flexible on this and her hypothetical empathy for Palestinians I keep hearing about (but not really seeing in any meaningful way) are not cutting it anymore.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 9 points 1 year ago

Wow, she's really bad at this while campaigning thing. Why not actually address the demands of her constituency?

Is it too hard to say 'I will stop supporting a country that is committing a genocide"?

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

That’s it! Any Arab or Muslim who votes for her is neither an Arab nor a Muslim. To hell with this vile woman!

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Arab or Muslim Americans who believe that an AIPAC backed candidate will reign in on Israel and its genocide in Gaza are not only naive but also delusional

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