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Trump existing is the biggest gift the Democrats have ever gotten and they still lost an election to him. Their fundraising skyrockets if Trump is involved on the other side and they don't have to do anything because they just keep yelling about the boogyman. It's exactly how Republicans use the immigration issue and how Netenyahu uses Hamas.
"Don't protest our complicity in genocide or else you'll lose democracy and freedom."
Well, Mrs. Vice President, if you don't want my vote in November, then say that.
The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right? Kamala could have responded so much better, but that means we roll over?
I just can’t get behind this take. It’s like the religious people who actively seek out the end of the world so they can all be raptured.
The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?
That is the risk the Kamala campaign is apparently willing to take.
We’re talking about your personal actions, but yeah go off king. Take no responsibility, your actions mean nothing
This genocide is our responsibility, because our tax dollars are paying for it. Our politicians are supporting it.
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The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?
It isn't. Keep trying. If she keeps refusing, vote for an anti-genocide candidate like Jill Stein.
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I mean...Do you want trump to win?
Does she?
You're assuming her completely condemning Isreal would help her win the election but I don't think it's as simple as that. There's still a massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters in the US.
Is this massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters who aren't just voting for Trump anyway in the room with us right now?
No, they're in Missouri voting out Cori Bush, and in New York voting out Bowman. But I guess if you just want to ignore the very real evidence we have, sure, there's literally no Democrats supporting Israel.
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Genocide is wrong. You have to oppose genocide. It is as simple as that.
"Oh, no! I can't stop the genocide, even though I have all the power to do that! It'll cost me votes!" Well, it's also going to cost you votes if you don't do that, so I guess we'll see in November.
No. That's why I'm frustrated with Kamala for alienating anti-genocide voters so far.
Sure, but who are you voting for? Or don't you take any responsibility for your own actions like so many others who blame her for their vote?
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Nobody wants Trump to win. Kamala doesn't want Trump to win. Which is why this reaction is so dismaying. It's her actions that are helping Trump to win, not the protesters'.
There is no room for these things to be a topic of conversation if Trump wins. This way of thinking has no path to resolving the problem.
Same excuse every four years.
That assumes that things haven't changed, and that Trump doesn't represent the backlash to that change. The Dems don't change things as fast as you would like, but why is back pedaling better than that? I swear, this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election. The republicans only win when voter counts are low. You are talking like you want Trump to win.
this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election.
I'm not skipping the election. I'm voting for the candidate who is standing against the genocide, Jill Stein.
Dems need to learn kicking the can down the road doesn't work when scientists say the road ends in like 40 years unless we change big things.
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You must not have heard about the trolley problem. I'm sure if I logically explain why you should ignore the deaths of your family members you would go vote. /s
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Holy fuck it’s like everyone commenting on this post simply refuses to understand the deeply dismaying and unfortunate - but very real - amount of influence AIPAC has on the entirety of the US political system.
I agree that it’s stupid and bad. But not admitting that it’s a real influence that has the potential to, you know, help the fucking fascists win is absolutely, categorically idiotic.
"We have to let Israel do genocide or they'll install fascism in the US."
Uh.
Because the genocide the fascists allow will be so much kinder and gentler
Your thesis is that Israel is so powerful that they can do genocide with impunity and no one on Earth can stop them; if the US ever went soft on support for Israel it could install whoever they want as the president, ushering in an age of fascism in the US.
You actually believe all that?
"This is what Democrats actually believe."
I'm calling bullshit. Bernie Sanders and Rashida Tlaib have both spoken out against the genocide, and yet both of them are still in office. Hell, Tlaib held up a sign that read "war criminal" during Netanyahu's speech before congress!
Kamala and Walz are superstars right now. Yet, we're supposed to believe that if she opposed Israel, the almighty AIPAC would dump a bunch of money into Trump's campaign and get him elected? Money is a huge factor in politics, but simply injecting more money doesn't cause somebody to win or lose.
AIPAC aren't gods, and the idea that they are is actually oddly antisemitic. It's like saying "We can't piss off Israel, because they control who wins or loses the election." This is batshit conspiracy theory territory.
Kamala has already shown that she isn't afraid of Trump. She needs to show that she isn't afraid of Israel, either. That is, if she's serous about ending the genocide.
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I feel like AIPAC is just a way for US politicians to get a higher salary. The feds give Israel money and an Israeli government associated agency gives politicians money directly.
If Kamala doesn't want Trump to win, then she should probably do what the voters are asking of her. --Whatever that is. Not listening to the voters could make her the second person to ever lose a presidential campaign against Donald Trump which would make her utterly pathetic.
I think the whatever that is is the problem. What would be enough in the israeli situation?
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Get fucked, lady.
it smells like shit in here
Common, everyone knows she is an establishment politician, pushed by hundreds of millions of Israeli money and the military industrial complex. she has no empathy to the tens of thousands of children being bombed in Gaza with American money and American made bombs.
Brat girl Summer, woo!
I wish she'd try triangulating instead. Maybe champion the idea of enforcing globally agreed upon rules and connect that to taking on the "Trumps of other nations"
Dumb. Acting like the good cop to Trump's bad cop routine is turning tons of people off. "You'd better cooperate with me now or I'll have to bring my associate in here, and he won't be so nice!"
Supposedly Harris told a representative of the uncommitted voting bloc from the Dem primaries that she was down to meet to discuss an arms embargo on Israel, but I wouldn't hold my breath. She needs to be more forthright about her stance, because the subtextual indications of being flexible on this and her hypothetical empathy for Palestinians I keep hearing about (but not really seeing in any meaningful way) are not cutting it anymore.
Wow, she's really bad at this while campaigning thing. Why not actually address the demands of her constituency?
Is it too hard to say 'I will stop supporting a country that is committing a genocide"?
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That’s it! Any Arab or Muslim who votes for her is neither an Arab nor a Muslim. To hell with this vile woman!
Arab or Muslim Americans who believe that an AIPAC backed candidate will reign in on Israel and its genocide in Gaza are not only naive but also delusional
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