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I'm seeing two posts from the mods that are sneerworthy content that aren't meta-posts announcing the de-sunsetting of r/sneerclub. I just wanna know what's up.

FWIW, I will stay here and probably won't participate in the subreddit out of laziness.

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[-] self@awful.systems 17 points 4 months ago

the official word is that we can now sneer on our choice of an enshittified website with weird vibes or a federated nuthouse running on broken software nobody likes. enjoy!

[-] earthquake@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It seems like many still-active redditors have consulted Ass, My, et al (2024) to conclude any alternative to reddit were abject failures and not worth investigating

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[-] self@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago

the official word on our end is: no idea! we’re monitoring @mawhrin@awful.systems’s post over there with interest.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

in a typical reddit fashion the post is getting downvotes despite just asking the obvious question.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

I'm a bit weirded out that new posts on a year dead subreddit suddenly get ~50-100 upvotes

[-] self@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago

to be honest, I’m getting a weird vibe off the resurrected /r/SneerClub in general. that might just be me though

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago
[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

/u/completely-ineffable, who founded the sub, and closed the sub a year ago, literally just made a post! That’s all that happened! I’m distantly in touch with that person! Everything is fine! In fact I’d almost be tempted to theorise it was all a dumb ruse to see if you lot turned out to be crazy people!

And it seems to have worked wonders!

Who even put the term “resurrected” in there? It’s one post, followed by a smattering of others including posts bickering about the supposed resurrection! What monstrous goings on are people permitting themselves to imagine?

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago

People are still subscribed to the subreddit. When a post gets made, it goes on their reddit feed. Lots of mobile users in particular will just have seen it pop up while doomscrolling.

[-] AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

They had a lot of subscribers.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

“Why, for fuck’s sake?”, as an illucutionary act, seems to do a lot more than simply “asking the obvious question”

But it is, indeed, in typical reddit fashion to omit that sort of thing from one’s own complaint about the response one got to one’s provocation, notwithstanding the traditional SneerClub response to user’s complaints, which is of course “if you want to leave, but can’t, we can help with that”

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

Twice the sneer, double the… club?

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

so the official reply is that mod got bored, and also was asked to re-open. which is, of course, fine.

and to be clear

  • i didn't think there is any conspiracy, that would be ridiculous,
  • if we subscribe to the idea that a community is owned, not stewarded, by mods, it's perfectly fine to do with the community whatever the mods want, without the need of them being accountable to anyone else,
  • i do think that reopening the sub after closing it in protest is mostly sad,
  • and a very small and rather insignificant footnote to a more general discussion on (f)utility of using master's tools to bring down the master's house.
[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

i have a reading account for when i need to read reddit via logged-in account, so i went and asked.

ETA-1: and got banned for asking.

ETA-2: the subreddit's description still has “sub moved to https://awful.systems” in the old view.

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

thread closed by some guy called "giziti"?

Looks like he was a mod as recently as a year ago, but doesn't know what's up either. Seems weirdly hostile to us, though.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

not only the thread is closed, i was banned for asking that question:

transcript follows

Hello, You have been permanently banned from participating in r/SneerClub because you broke this community's rules. You won't be able to post or comment, but you can still view and subscribe to it.

Note from the moderators:

There, the sub is dead again (for you).

If you have a question regarding your ban, you can contact the moderator team by replying to this message.


[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

Very glad to see the sub being run exactly as it was always supposed to be.

[-] AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago
[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 4 months ago

I know this isn't what you meant but I've long been fascinated (and slowly ramping up my clue in relevant areas) of using natural phenomena as synth/sound inputs. which is why I misread this at first

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[-] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago
[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it was always a risk; questioning someone's integrity, be it directly or indirectly, is rarely welcomed.

needless to say, i'm even less inclined to resume any activity on reddit.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

bonus: some *chan-pilled gobshite thinks this branch is not cool enough (cw: ableism)

It has no reach. Sorry. I myself go there every few weeks to check last threads, but becoming insular autistic circlejrk circlejerking over other autist made it intellectualy impotent, sorry.


[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah bad vibes on the undead sub. Amazed by the person goign 'it can be hard to reach new people on the fediverse' when there have been a lot more randos who don't know what this place is here, and some threads went the lemmiverse equiv of viral.

Lol at them thinking sneerclub was a great intellectually potent place vs a place to say 'look at this extremely offended dork' a lot.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Smart, funny people create good times

Good times attract unfunny morons

Unfunny morons create bad times

Bad times attract smart, funny people

[-] AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

Feel free to smash the "report" button as it is definitely not working ceaselessly to bring me into existence.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

nah, i'm not going back where i'm clearly not wanted; the mods can take care of this themselves.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Giziti was made a mod to take pressure off the modteam, along with David Gerard (who also founded this place). The inference you’re drawing that they’re hostile seems wrong: it’s targeted not at this place but at people using the existence of this place to spam fediverse garble on the subreddit, demanding new rules to link to the fediverse(!)

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

but at people using the existence of this place to spam fediverse garble on the subreddit, demanding new rules to link to the fediverse(!)

fair play, then! Thanks for the info!

It's good to know that the oppo haven't gotten a hold of our old digs

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

Answer on a postcard

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

I have often thought about just nuking most of my reddit posts and have not done so because I'm easily distracted. So I also feel like the latter.

Instead of nuking it, it would be better for the fediverse if you backlinked your favorite fediverse instance in all of your comments. It's your content, you wrote it, you own the license to it. It would seem absurd if YouTube made a rule that stated video creators couldn't talk about the merch they sell or their company association. Though, some subreddits might make the decision to censor some of your comments.

This tool is easy to use to edit all comments. It doesn't provide the ability to add a signature to all comments though, and only allows you to fully edit a comment.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

That is not something I would prob do, as I think that is a little bit annoying and spammy. (and I don't like to do things I don't like myself while leaning on 'technically there is no rule against it'. It would also be annoying in a few old subreddits which I used to post in which have nothing to do with all of this (and I don't want to annoy them), so I would to have put more work into whitelisting/blacklisting the various subs. But still thanks, somebody else might want to use it.

So far I have mostly resorted to manually deleting a few posts every now and then so far. (And the few times I still use it nowadays, a few posts per month, I tend to delete the posts eventually already).

I'm also not sure im interesting enough as a poster for people to actually follow me, or that people actually care that much. Tried before the restart to every now and then point towards this instance and I found that process annoying. (So this also means a large percentage of the people now left in sneerclub will be the worst, so it might finally morph into the boogyman the Rationalists always made it out to be).

I just hate reddit.

I think it's just a combination of seeming genuine and not appearing to sell something. Like if you had a conversation with someone on reddit, and they were looking at their past comments with you, and then saw that you had modified them to include "If you found my content useful, I've left reddit because I don't agree with reddit's decisions. I'm now located in the fediverse. I've left this content available, but I don't plan on using reddit."

Though, I do think something appearing as spam is bad and can be counterproductive, so maybe I need to think about it more.

[-] mii@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

(So this also means a large percentage of the people now left in sneerclub will be the worst, so it might finally morph into the boogyman the Rationalists always made it out to be).

Some people seem to be genuinely happy it's back, but that could just be the honeymoon phase, so let's see. I might even post there now and then since I still use my Reddit account because I stuck around thanks to discoverability in the Fediverse being just awful which means I haven't found a good replacement for a bunch of communities I like.

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

I am not much of a Reddit muckraker. I checked out the posts from the mods I didn't recognise. The longtime mod Son_of_Sophroniscus appears to now be alt-right? Other than that, I still can't make heads or tails of any of it.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I would have thought anyone who regularly posted on the sub in the last 7 years or so would be well aware that there were effectively two active moderators, only one of whom - the founder and head mod /u/completely-ineffable - is still on reddit, and who made the first new post (being “The EA Case for Trump”)

Two further moderators were added shortly before the AI reddit fuckaround which spawned this place, with one of them being David Gerard (who formally spawned this place)

A conclusion I am genuinely surprised to see nobody drawing is obvious: a mod just decided to post something, and turned on comments on for the sake of comments. What’s the deal with trying to figure that out as if it’s some kind of high level management decision?

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 2 points 4 months ago

Yo dawg, slow your roll. Yes, that is the easy explanation. I just wanted more information before jumping to any conclusions. Not all of us (read: I) were deeply familiar with the moderator dynamics nor had a reason to be.

Again either way I’ve made my choice to be here, so to me, it doesn’t really matter what’s going on beyond my own curiosity.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Throwing in that comment about Son_of_Sophroniscus was pretty out there! My roll would be pretty damn slow had you just left that out. But instead we’ve got that, people talking about a “weird/bad vibe”, reading tea leaves all over the shop…

But even in just your own case, it seems like the opposite of not jumping to conclusions to throw in references to old mods going alt right that bear absolutely zero relationship to any of the handful of posts on the “resurrected” sub

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

Throwing in that comment about Son_of_Sophroniscus was pretty out there!

It seemed relevant to the discussion to look at the moderator list in case there was any information. In this case, the information seemed to be a dead end, which is why I didn't try to speculate beyond a statement of fact.

But instead we’ve got that, people talking about a “weird/bad vibe”, reading tea leaves all over the shop…

People are allowed to comment on the vibe. I think it is completely fair to express frustration at the reopening for the reasons stated in other parts of this thread.

But even in just your own case, it seems like the opposite of not jumping to conclusions to throw in references to old mods going alt right that bear absolutely zero relationship to any of the handful of posts on the “resurrected” sub

I can't believe I have to explain this very ordinary attempt of trying to see what's going on:

  1. the status quo changes (r/sneerclub comes back online)
  2. I look for answers (in this case, I ask here for information, and look around the subreddit for information)
  3. I resist the urge to jump to the easy/obvious answer, and share what little information I had here

Then, as you pointed out in your other comments, it was the obvious answer, which I will happily accept as there is proof.

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[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All I know is one fundamental thing: between 49 to 100 per cent of you are all fucking nuts.

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