what’s “the organge site”?

lmao they’re offering 2 grand a week to anyone willing to organise a bier halle peutsch on their own college campus

or maybe more of an, i forget the name or a good example, a stalking horse for somebody’s seizing power in the government by a false flag movement? which either way is very similar

either way, this is some real Strategy of Tension shit

Walkout campaign Young people are furious about an AI future being forced on us. Nearly half of 18-to-29-year-olds say AI does more harm than good. What's missing is coordinated action that forces the government to respond. So the week of October 20, Students on 100+ college campuses will walk out of class with one demand: pause AI and bring it under public control. Two weeks later, we will go vote.

Distributed organizer role We are seeking distributed organizers to recruit and coach the students who lead walkouts on their own campuses. You'll be responsible for a dozen 'flagship' campus groups, recruiting the leaders and supporting them through the walkout. You'll also coach 'distributed actions,' the campuses that sign up with us on their own, asking for support. You'll work alongside a cohort of distributed organizers, a political-partnerships team, and a digital creator program.

at least the march on rome had the good grace to wear black shirts out in the open about it

https://tally.so/r/WObr6v

oh yeah we live in a permanent state of “you can just do that” world now, it doesn’t have to mean anything, words actually meaning anything is actually completely passe, it’s embarassing. what, you mean your grassroots broad base anti-hierarchical movement grown organically from sheer democratic outrage DOESN’T offer six-figure salaries for positions of seniority? fucking cringe dude, fucking pathetic, sad tbh lmao

i dunno what that is, i can barely programme html lol, i just hated yudkowsky ten years ago and now here i am

i don’t especially follow particular developments in ai beyond getting a sufficient sense of the overall trajectory of the scam

oh i meant more in the sense of “what am i letting myself in for when i look up that name”?

I mean if you needed any further confirmation that EA is as much cartel as cult you’ve got it

EA is just an industry group and this is just installing representatives of industry in government now

the word for that is corporatism and the political corollaries are kleptocracy and fascism

By and large no. Read the comments under anything on LessWrong, for example, and it’s trivial to pick out the vast majority of nominally substantive posts lighting on the one thing that got them mad, just like you and I, in amidst a chorus of nothing remarks equivalent to “so brave, so powerful”. They’re just people man, after all.

Notice that the disagreements people get into by and large evolve the same way as reddit fights - everybody’s just waiting for their turn to nitpick some sentence or other that (nominally) deserves a fair, contextual, interpretation it’ll never receive.

TracingWoodgrains is an out-and-out rationalist. Long time poster on /r/slatestarcodex and heavily involved in all things SSC. It just benefits them to be coy about it. Which is whatever! Fine! Who cares? But they’re 100% in the bag for rationalism in any way that matters.

Honestly, anyone who read the essay can see that the question of whether Yud approves is totally irrelevant to its thesis, but these people are incapable of reading styles of argument that don’t proceed by declarative statements about binary choices, except of course in those situations where something precious to them (such as their good standing at the “not a racist” club) might by at stake

It’s a combination of those things.

Because rationalism the coherent phenomenon was founded with the more or less explicit intention of building a cult, Yudkowsky’s original rule-set incorporated all of the basic cult rules, which every cult leader tends to be able to work out mostly for themselves by looking at what they outwardly want to build (a movement) and what they inwardly want to do with it (retain personal power over that movement)

So, for example, the particular way that Yudkowsky frames “objectivity” coalesces later on around the “object level” vs “meta level” dichotomy, “low” vs “high” “decoupling”, the “grey tribe”, but it’s there from the beginning in his insistence on the highly specific and idiosyncratic framework proposed in The Sequences, his constant explicit insistence on the rarity of his chosen elect, and also just in (a) his consistent lambasting of people who work outside that framework in the text of The Sequences themselves, and (b) his sometimes hilarious neg/love-bombing of the reader

Of (b), my favourite example is that passage where he bizarrely takes an unnecessary moment to call you an idiot if you think that there’s a universal clock measuring time throughout the universe, in the full knowledge that his nerdy readers are aware of relativity

So the whole system, beginning with LessWrong’s very founding, is geared to control the framing in ways like not naming names. Naming names is a failure of objectivity, because it brings in the sorts of particulars that might exercise your ordinary human judgement - ordinary human judgement is bad, we know this from Daniel Kahneman, and that’s another rule of objectivity. So, moreover, the whole system is geared so as to keep “objective” framings which favour HBD “in-group”, and to displace good human judgements (‘Richard Hanania is a ridiculous mendacious racist’) into the “out-group”).

HBD hegemony within the movement (in influence if not in numbers), moreover, could not but have been the eventual outcome of the same rule-set. In spite of his own protestations, Yudkowsky’s pugilistic naturalism was sufficiently both insisted upon and theoretically naive as to ultimately yield hegemony to the HBDers by sheer inertia: once you have eliminated and salted the earth of any thinking which fails to embrace the most childish physical-scientistic reductionism, then when your rules for thinking enter the arena of politics (especially American politics) and human biology, you have already ceded all possible theoretical ground to HBD, and any counter-weight you try to introduce thereto becomes the pathetic mewling of Kahnemanian irrational beliefs. Your rhetoric already implied “it’s just basic biology” from the very beginning.

So, for anyone keeping score, the only way for anyone on LessWrong to win the rhetorical argument is, unfortunately, just to be normal, and violate one or more of the LessWrong standards for thinking.

It’s true though. They’re not nazis. They’re incapable of being fired by any fundamentally political or spiritual ideals, no matter how ultimately black and nihilistic, at all. Even if these people were full-throated card-carrying members of the American Nazi party marching through Times Square with a swastika flag throwing out copies of Der Sturmer from a Panzer tank they wouldn’t be nazis. The fact is that they’re just the purest distillation of 20th-21st century media culture yet: they’re so utterly saturated in media that the only choice they’ve made, the only choice available to them, was whether to lean into the goodie or the baddie vibe, and they plumped for “baddie” because it suited their contrarian aesthetic and then, without even leaving a ripple on the surface, they slipped into the role and inhabited it so thoroughly that it is, literally, indistinguishable from who they are.

These people are nothing less, and 100% nothing more, than your childish glee at getting to play the villain in an RPG.

Identical experience. Goddamnit kid just get drunk and write a bad poem