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Why are conservatives so weird when it comes to women playing sports? Like why do they care about their genitals?
Maybe we need to start calling them perverts.
They are so perverted.
Lots of weirdos and perverts out there. Bring a taser just in case.
Easy way to get arrested by one of said weirdos/perverts. Self-defense isn't particularly straightforward if you aren't straight and white.
Which is unfair, and should be changed. I'm fortunate that getting arrested would be a clearly better choice than being assaulted.
Honestly, most conservatives are just directing their rage toward whatever conservative politicians and talking heads tell them to direct it at. Conservatism lives and thrives on hate, requiring in-groups and out-groups that must be pitted against one another. The new fad is to care about a person’s genitals.
You see, conservatives don’t believe in gender equality, so someone who isn’t a cis woman will always perform better than cis women, because they believe that women are inherently weak and men are inherently strong, failing to believe that any other form of gender identity even exists.
Except here's the thing; I'm pretty sure I've read this athlete has a vagina, and has had one all of her life. They just don't understand sex, and how complex it can be.
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Why are conservatives so weird when it comes to ~~women playing sports~~ gestures broadly?
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Don’t know if it’s being underreported, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it is … it seems the instigator is regretting the kindling of transphobia paranoia they ignited.
She wasn't the instigator. People just said what they wanted to say. Her unsportsmanlike conduct was just the gap needed to wedge in some hate.
She definitely knew what she was doing. Carini is a policewoman with connections to the Italian alt right. She was paid 50k after the match by the IBA, the ones that disqualified Khelif in 2023 after winning the gold.
Why does this comment smell like a conspiracy theory? Will read article and delete if this is referenced.
Edit: did not see anything about a payoff there. Got a link showing Russian involvement/payment by chance?
Double edit for rule. Didn't want to change username. He/him
There you have
Ty, definitely adds good context to the political rat behaviour. Looks like the Italian Boxing Federation won't accept the offer, but that doesn't say anything about Carini or her coach. https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-boxing-italy-c2fc28a02c220e507152f18a44d7dbef
Double edit for rule. Didn’t want to change username. He/him
thatll work, thanks!
IBA is Gazprom.
new rule : https://lemmy.ml/post/18758874
Hmmm this seems annoying for you! Really good example of the value of user flairs
So long as this is a public community it feels like a perennial problem. Though private communities aren’t here yet, it seems you and the mods here want this to be a relatively public community. So community specific user flairs seem like the only workable solution (where there could be a default “use handle” flair or something or a requirement for first time posters to select a flair).
Don’t know if there’s an issue for it or others pushing for it, but this situation seems like an idea case for its value.
I messaged dessalines about it at some point I think.
Ah right. Makes sense. Sorry for jumping in then if that was annoying/repetitive.
no problem
Probably 90% or even more of the Italian athletes that participate in the Olympics (of anyway compete at higher level in minor sports) are either part of police, carabinieri, "fiamme gialle" (Guardia di finanza) or army. This is just the way it is, since those corps have sport teams which pay a salary.
It is basically welfare, since those people don't usually have any of the regular duties that policemen etc. have.
Furthermore, I am not even sure what is "Italian alt right", but anyway I searched in Italian and I couldn't find a single source that "links" her to any particular political party. Can you provide anything to support your claim?
At the moment it looks like you are spreading misinformation to create hatred towards a single person, not cool.
That said, her sincere apology has gone a long way to calm the moderates. It's only bigots that don't care about anything other than having a target that are still pushing this.
And they would do that regardless of any outcome with the flimsiest of excuses.
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Would a 99% Muslim country like Algeria really allow a trans person to represent it at the Olympics? I highly doubt it.
Honestly, I find the whole things reeks of ignorance. I don't expect everyone to know everything, but I thought Algeria is a well known enough country; and I am surprised that the fact Imane came from there did not clue in everyone as to why she can't be a transwoman! I am in a discussions group and one person brought up the controversy in the chat. The guy is a boomer and probably fell easily to fake news from social media. I gave the simple response that she's from Algeria to clue him in, but others had to explain several times why it is fake news that Imane is supposedly a transwoman!
As I grow older, I realise that people can't know what you know and vice versa. Which is completely fine; but on the one side it shows how each of us are in our own bubble which can have detrimental effects, not just for our own personal growth, but also to the wider society.
I mean Iran recognizes trans women as women and trans men as men. Treats both like shit and is wildly homophobic but it does nominally recognize binary trans people post transition (mid transition is a different story). And Casablanca was at one time a bottom surgery hotspot to a point that a trans person “going to Casablanca/morocco” had an understood reason akin to Thailand today
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Sabine Hossenfelder did a video on trans women in sports, and despite her checkered history of non-physics related topics, she raised some good points. ( on YouTube )
Hossenfelder she points out, whether we're looking at college sports, pro sports or the Olympics, we're less seeking fair competitions as we are interesting ones. (As she notes, it's not fair that Usain Bolt got long legs and she didn't), as a result we sometimes separate contestants into classes. Boxing, for instance, is separated not just by sex, but by three weight classes, because otherwise, the 120kg mountain of pure muscle punches all the featherweights over the ropes.
What we're looking for when matchmaking is the same that we are when we match-make for gaming competitions, which is to say near-peers where the outcome of a contest is closely undecided, where we are unable to guess with much accuracy who would win until after the outcome. And in today's athletic classes we're able to categorize trans women with other athletic women who are near-peers and get exciting contests where the outcome is unpredictable.
Hossenfelder suggests all this is going to change once it becomes routine to genetically engineer our offspring. But that will be another era.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r6Kau7bO3Fw
I think there's another one of these videos too. Don't trust anything she says outside of physics. She's a physicist, but she confidently speaks on issues she has no knowledge on. She's a bad educational YouTube because she lies and pretends like she has knowledge she doesn't have.
This YouTube also has a great video about Sabine's pro-capitalism video where she is varifiably wrong about many things but just doesn't care. She's not reliable, except maybe within her field... possibly.
Even within the field of physics, I find her a little questionable. She stated once that she thinks falsifiability is overrated. That just flys in the face of testability and verification, which opens up room for any untestable theory or hypothesis to take root.
Sorry, but after her Trans care Video I don't have a single ounce of respect left for her. Surely you can find better people to quote here?
100%. She should really stick to physics.
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So we're past the strawmans and they are just going full Don Quixote now?
Honestly we might just need a different metric than gender to separate sports. Something like testosterone level or something, similar to weight classes. Because no matter how you look at it, this isn’t really fair for their opponents, regardless of gender. But then again, there’s also other body differences that might not have anything to do with current testosterone level, so I don’t know.
Testosterone is complicated. Women athletes have higher than average testosterone. Some have higher than athletes who are men! Also T-levels don't accurately correlate to performance, so there's a factor of hormonal responsiveness as well.
But yeah, boxing also has weight classes, so we already know that sometimes we have to segregate leagues in order to keep contests among near peers and exciting.
Here's an interesting article about that: https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/
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Fair for her opponent? The punch that ended the fight didn't knock out her opponent nor did it break her nose nor even give her a nose bleed. And suddenly all the rules need to be changed? Trying to get that granulated opens a whole new can of worms. What about arm length and height? Blood sugar levels? Angle of shoulders and hips? By this logic Shaquille O'Neal had a unfair competitive advantage on everyone.
I didn’t say her in particular, I didn’t even watch that fight. But as the world transitions to treating the genders as no longer binary, doesn’t it make sense to change the binary gender sports rules as well?
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I don't know exactly if the anatomy of trans women is similar to that of non-trans women. I'm ignorant about this. However, if there are equal conditions, it can happen in trances. If there are no equal conditions, I think it can be opened to a separate category. Why shouldn't there be an extra category of trans women or trans men next to men and women?
Why shouldn’t there be an extra category of trans women or trans men next to men and women?
Because trans women are women, and trans men are men. Why shouldn't there be a category for women with pcos?
Current science actually shows that trans women perform worse than cis women in several categories and identical in others. Which correlates with the fact that in the 20 years that trans women have been allowed to compete in the olympics, not a single one has made it there. It was a small study and needs to be expanded upon, but is still better evidence than what any of the reactionary bans have.
Here's a link to an article that includes a link to the actual study https://www.outsports.com/2024/4/12/24091267/transgender-athletes-study-research-science-sports-governing-bodies/
Why. Just reduce it to a single category.
Hell yeah, men VS women, let's go!
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