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This has been a doozy of a year. And it's the best year so far blah blah. So how are you all coping? Does it hit anyone else like a bolt of lightning that probably I - we - won't die of old age?

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[-] safesyrup@lemmy.hogru.ch 47 points 1 month ago

I don‘t. I‘m accepting that i, as an individual, will not be able to impact it and so i‘m pretty much going with it. Humanity will survive, thats for sure but i make sure to make the most of it in the time where it‘s still bearable.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Humanity will survive

........will it though?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some humans somewhere will survive. We're the most adaptable and intelligent species on the planet

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

We're the most adaptable and intelligent species on the planet

Which makes all the other life on earth really sad if you think about it. /s

It’s easy to fall into doomerism, but the truth is we are incredible in taking immediate dangers head on. We just happen to be shit tier in doing something against anything vague in the future. A human TPK, without tapping into SciFi, is out of the question.

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

We are the most intelligent, not the most adaptable by a long shot.

That also doesn't guarantee anything, we are smart not capable of impossible feats of magic. If the situation is irreversible that's what it is and you die. The end.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yes, don't be ridiculous

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[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I am educated in science and I do not think humanity will survive, no. Most megafauna will probably die out. There are ~10 planetary boundaries and we've crossed a lot of them. Earthquakes and volcanoes will start picking up. AMOC collapse could be as soon as 2025.

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[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 month ago

The biggest threat to your life from climate change is this kind of doomerism making you suicidal. I've been down that road myself.

Either get off your ass and do something about it or stop worrying about it. You're not helping anyone by making yourself sad.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago
[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

I'm not saying you are. You missed my point entirely.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I'm asking for coping methods or strategies. For example, I sing a lot because it doesn't contribute anything to capitalism and more fossil fuels being released, and it releases oxytocin so it makes me feel good. I also read and spend time with others, smoke cannabis, take psilocybin.

That we don't want to die, and don't want the planet to die, shows that we are very much not suicidal so it's just weird you brought that up at all lol.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I bike as much as possible instead of driving and lobby my local government for zoning reform.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Incredibly based, same here.

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[-] isles@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I'm a silly goose with young kids and I've been head-in-the-sand trying to deal with my own survival. Once I had an iota of stability, I started to let the outside world in again and often wish I hadn't.

I estimate I live in a place least likely to be dramatically affected by climate change, early on. It's not like I'm in Florida and can't afford to insure my home any longer because of hurricane risk. It's not like I'm likely to be one of the 1.2 billion climate refugees by 2050.

So I try to take little steps to get prepared for something I never thought I'd need to be prepared for. We're growing more and more of our own food, we're expanding our water/food stores and storage. We plan to get a solar system soon (so we're the 1/10 that makes it through an extended grid outage), while global supply chains still function.

I've started a little (20TB) apocalypse library, full of illustrated guides, youtube videos, books, and resources.

My biggest stumbling block is starting community. I generally don't like people and as you've seen in this thread, most people don't take climate change seriously.

And, as someone else said... weed and time in nature.

[-] DessertStorms 16 points 1 month ago

I become a stauncher anti-capitalist every day, since capitalism and its unsustainable and literally impossible aim of infinite growth, and the greed and corruption it encourages, is why climate change is not only happening but also not being treated seriously, and abolishing it is the only hope we have of dealing with the damage climate change will bring and try and minimize it going forward (since its past the point of stopping it entirely).

The whole point of those responsible shifting blame on to individuals who have nothing to do with the decisions that got us here, nor the profits they make, is to get you to the point you're at now - hopelessness which leads to inaction, or desperation that leads to futile action (like banning straws or paying to reduce your "carbon footprint" - a term they made up for this exact purpose, and so on, all of which are there to make sure you're criticising your neighbour for their recycling habits instead of the companies that say they're recycling and get paid to but really send the garbage directly to landfill, or to a developing nation already drowning in western trash).

What you actually need to be is angry and focused, to ensure your anger is aimed at the right people and the systems they uphold that got us here. Those systems are not natural or inevitable or immutable, they are artificially created by and for the benefit of a really small group of humans, a group we could easily be rid of if we actually united to do so.

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This could have been written by me. I despise capitalism, capitalists, and if I could, would ensure that every company knowingly polluting or harming people or the planet would be dissolved and their boards put in jail, or worse. I have always hated capitalism, I'm realizing, the older I get, and learning how many of these companies KNEW the consequences of their greed makes me even more radicalized against it.

We glamorize wealth hoarding and that baffles me. I have a 4yo son. I see in him the same things I see in these capitalists. I give him what he wants, say a scoop of ice cream. I get some for myself, maybe a different flavor, and he asks for mine. He gets upset when I tell him to enjoy what he has and that I want to enjoy my ice cream too.

Recently, we got into LEGO and I will be building something, usually just fucking around, and I'll start to make something cool. He'll come up and want it. Even with other blocks, it's what little I have that he wants. Sometimes, there is no amount of persuasion to allow me to continue what I'm doing.

I'm convinced that greed is just a regression/stopping of cognitive development to the level of a child. I would pity these capitalist fuckers if they weren't destroying the planet and our lives for their greed.

Makes me think, sure, go ahead, build that bunker to escape the disaster you [capitalists] created. Nature may not be able to get in that easily, but people didn't become the apex hunters of this planet from giving up. Persistence will reap what you have sowed.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

I honestly believe that billionairism is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Involuntary confinement and treatment, because they're a danger to others.

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[-] Sasha 15 points 1 month ago

I joined a climate activism group in my local area, frankly it's the best possible way to deal with it. You can make a difference, the messaging we get is often intended to make us feel powerless to keep people from protesting, but it's actually one of the most empowering ways to deal with it. Being with a group of passionate people amplifies your ability to effect change, and given how broken many of our governments are, it's necessary. The biggest thing stopping us from forcing big changes is our lack of numbers, solidarity is strength.

It certainly beats sitting around feeling angry and stressed.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Solar panels to run the aircon.

Just have to hope no storm blows the house down.

Would like an electric car but it's out of my financial reach at this time, so keep the old car repaired and running.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

Poorly. We basically didn't have a winter here in Chicago and the summer has been marked by severe storms.

[-] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I'm mostly just staying inside this time of year. I personally likely will not die of climate change as I'm privileged enough to be able to keep moving when I need, but I probably will die from micro plastic induced cancer.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 1 month ago

Got a vasectomy, because I live in the South and won't risk bringing a kid into the world.

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[-] Kraiden@kbin.run 9 points 1 month ago

Badly. Really, not much more that I can say about it. The future terrifies me.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 month ago

My only hope is that I'll be dead by the time the water wars begin.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Yesterday I had a climate change anxiety attack. I came to the conclusion that despite wanting to have children, I shouldn't because the earth is currently dying underneath our feet. Watching outside my window, a cat I've been taking care of brought her litter of kittens to take shelter under my awning, and it had me feeling very bitter, that I would never know the blissful highs and devastating lows of parenthood. All the joy and pain and love that embodies raising a child, past generations have forfeit through destructive environmental/corporate/profit-centered policies.

I was able to calm myself down, oddly enough through a few memes I saw. one of which being an old cunieform tablet that had a transcription of a man from Assyria decrying how the world was falling apart back in 1200 BC. And the second, one of Neil Degrasse Tyson saying simply, "If we can geo-engineer other planets, we can certainly fix our own."

Made me feel a little more hopeful, that we could still prevent the worst of it, and perhaps fix what we couldn't prevent.

Still not sure about having kids though. If I still even can, with the level of microplastic in my testes, and PFAS everywhere else.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

I do what I can to reduce my own CO2 footprint - mostly for my own conscience.
In every election I vote for the party with the most focus on CO2 reduction that has a good chance of making it into parlament.
I chose both my work and home specifically so I don't need a car to commute, and am completely safe from "once in a lifetime" floods (which will probably happen every other year soon).
I could make decently more money and rent more living space elsewhere.

Otherwise I don't worry. Cause what else is there to do?
I could die in the climate wars, in an epic storm, in a new pandemic...
Or quietly in my bed at age 100 like my grandparents, who survived 2 world wars, the cold war, and 4 revolutions.
Who knows?

[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

related... There are now ac/heat pump mini split units that are set up to be linked directly to solar panel systems and run offgrid or with grid assist.
This is great for a few reasons:

  1. solar radiance and need for cooling are related.
  2. if you hook directly to solar you don't need to convert AC current to DC and lose 10-20% of the energy.
  3. if you dont tie the system to the grid, you might be able to avoid the use induction effect. That is, installing air conditioning tends to make people use more grid energy.
  4. It also helps with adding solar capacity to people who have electrical issues in their house and can't get typical solar install, or who can't add more solar capacity due to net metering edicts by their utilities, or dont want to pull permits for electrical work.

I've had my eye on a system from Airspool here in the US - should help with these warmer summers and help offset a little of the heating need in the winter too.

I would look into a full central system - but I have a relatively new gas furnace and can't justify replacing it and dealing with all the required electrical work.

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[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I've been keeping my mind busy, learning actionable skills and survival stuff. I am learning foraging, growing food, I've made a real decision to not reserve my happiness for retirement, as that day isn't guaranteed but today is. I convert the worry into little reminders about how today is the most important time to do the thing. I live immediacy and radical self reliance. I recycle, upcycle, reuse, buy second hand, adopt, occasionally dumpster dive, and reduce my negative impact on the planet. I donate to charities that help people in crisis, so more people can enjoy today while they have it. Also, instead of anxious, I get high.

[-] overt_mess@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

100mg Fluvoxamine and 5-10mg Diazepam a day seems to be working for me.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I've been doing occasional psilocybin and hedonism and that's been pretty good so far

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[-] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

We live on an ocean-going sailboat. We make our own water and electricity. We have ~25 years of membranes, filters, and most parts. While we have the means to move around to cooler climes, going further northward means more severe storms and shorter working life of everything. So there's that consideration.

Having the escape hatch of the boat does a lot to ease the anxiety.

Other coping mechanisms:

  • fixing people's bicycles for free and evangelizing micro-mobility
  • monitoring and mapping marine health in maritime communities (kelp, fish counts, bottom conditions); yes this is "just" monitoring, but one measurement is worth 1000 opinions and hopefully helps to move the needle on getting everyone to pull together on environmental protections
  • community education on aeroponics and micro-hydroponics
  • community support on emergency preparedness

I'm sure I'm skipping over some of my other copium prescriptions, but those are the most salient.

[-] Kraiden@kbin.run 3 points 1 month ago

We had the same idea. Even ended up living on an old 37' for about a year... then we popped the stern tube during an engine test (40 years worth of copper corrosion)...

Well you can imagine what that was like. It was only through sheer dumb luck that we saved literally everything we own. That coupled with some expensive engine repair and we ended up spending the cost of the boat again in repairs.

There's more to the story but ye, we live in a house now.

This is not to discourage any one btw, just pick your boat better than we did. Also, you need to be really into DIY or really rich, because God damn, boat stuff is expensive!

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[-] Nobody@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

I just don't give a fuck, when I'm dead I won't care about anything. And my own existence is full of problems and worries enough just to worry about the goddamn sun or sea levels.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Fair enough, nihilism is a valid philosophy that often helps people cope in difficult times. And it really probably doesn't matter at this point anyway.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgMdjyw8uw

I found this video to be helpful in putting things in perspective. Basically, despite all the news, we are making progress and it is a priority. Technology is improving really fast to the point where renewable energy is actually the more economical choice.

A lot of companies are actually making an effort to implement more green policies. I work for a tech company, and a lot of discussions revolve around energy efficiency and performance per watt.

Remember that climate change activists want to make the world seem much worse than it is. That's their "job" after all - to raise awareness and attention. It doesn't mean what they are saying isn't true, just that you should view it as them putting a negative lens on it.

Personally, I worry about many things, but not really climate change. With most issues there conflict between two groups. But I think most people generally think climate change is a real thing, even if they disagree on its priority.

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

I'm mostly very curious how this all plays out. I'm also a bit worried, but there's not much I can do about that anyway, so whatever.

I wish I could travel a thousand years into the future and read all the history books.

I think these are very interesting times (and as we all know, it sucks to live in interesting times) with all the innovations and political desicions. Even the failures and missed opportunities. It's all very interesting.

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I do my best to limit plastic use and eat less meat. But that's a mosquitoes fart compared to all the pollution that can easily prevented by the players that matter. Governments still choose fossil over nuclear, not enough subsidy on fossil alternatives that we could have had decades ago etc.

[-] pixeltree 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What people don't realize is that the extinction of humanity has already begun. The population is going to start plummeting as the rate of people not having children accelerates and the elderly start dying off. As climate change worsens, food production is going to procedurally decrease, and as the workforce shrinks logistics will fail. There will be widespread famine, people are going to be priced out of being able to eat. There will be violence over this, but the damage is done--no amount of revolution will be enough to restore the production and transportation of food to high enough levels to feed everyone. As more and more people die off, the problem will only accelerate. "Oh rich people will survive", people say. Sure, but for how long? With a global failure of logistics and communication, it's not like your money would really be able to buy much, if you can even access your wealth. Humanity is fucked, enjoy life while you can now. If you can.

I do what I can, reduce consumption and minimize waste, but it's not like it'll matter. It's still worth it to try, though. It's like a heroic last stand, just on a much much much slower and less glorious scale.

[-] Nefara@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We have solar and a plug in hybrid car. I try to support small local businesses. We moved to a place with historically cooler weather above sea level. I vote in all the elections I can. I keep up with the town planning board and try to influence towards car independence. I stay hydrated, wear natural fibers, and try to buy used when I can.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I still try my best to do what I can. But at the same time I've come to terms with the fact that we're all fucked and everything I'm doing is pointless. But I'd rather do what I can and strive to do better than give up and make things worse. I have completely selfish reasons for doing my part and it's literally just because I'd feel like an asshole.

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

I make myself the change I want to see in the world so I can live and die with a refreshing feeling of superiority.

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