616

Imagine apartments built into what used to be department stores, (Oh, you're JC Penny 203? I'm at Sears 106). Get those old arcades up and running. Set up meal stations at the food court. Once people actually live there, stores will start to move back in.

If I'm unable to finish my life in my own home, that doesn't sound like a terrible option.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] ptz@dubvee.org 95 points 3 months ago

Those are also the "mall rat" generations, so it'd be pretty fitting lol.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

We can watch the original Fast and Furious, recreate a mockup of HTML eBay and put 5hp stickers on our mobility scooters with RGB under glow lighting, and sub's around our nitrous bottles.

I live my life one quarter footprint store front at a time...

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 18 points 3 months ago

And, naturally, we'd be hauling boomboxes blasting gangsta rap in the baskets of our mobility scooters. lol.

Our generation's old-folks home gonna be lit

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] blazera@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago

Not even renovated, just set me up in a hot topic.

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 12 points 3 months ago
load more comments (5 replies)
[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As a GenX, I would prefer seeing them made into some sort of public space? We are losing a lot of that, at least where I live. Indoor space in particular.

load more comments (8 replies)
[-] cupcakezealot 58 points 3 months ago

counterargument; malls, arcades, and bookstores should come back in style because they were amazing and we don't know what we missed until it's gone.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

Malls are sign of bad ciry planning

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

They will come back as the US shifts away from car centered culture, malls thrive in Europe

load more comments (10 replies)
[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago

If they come back, I hope they will be more accessible on foot, with a bike, or with efficient public transit. Because if they are still surrounded by deserts of parking lots, only filled with EVs instead of ICEs, they can continue to die.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] thezeesystem@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

As a millennial I can tell you that most millennials I know wouldn't want this but instead make it a place for none corporation and community events and such. A public place where your not forced to buy things where can just exist with others even if you have zero money and accessible to all genders and disabilities and races.

And yes retrofit part of it for people who need to get back on there feet, and homeless people.

If we could retrofit them into homeless shelters we could but it would require rebuilding mostly everything as malls are designed for stores not housing people (for instance the bathrooms are not private and not easily accessible if you live somewhere in it)

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

I know it's hard to imagine since you've pretty much got to pay to exist anywhere today, but malls were a place to just exist. I spent hours and hours wandering around the mall in the eighties without any money.

Expanding on the thought, it was perfectly ok to be, get this, a TEENAGER existing without any money in a mall!

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Yesss, give us community spaces that are not designed around maximizing profits.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

In a city in my country there was an old mall that was slowly taken over by bands who used the spaces as rehearsal rooms. It gained a huge following including some local big bands and concerts. They all paid rent too. Unfortunately, early this year, they were evicted by the owner and City Hall, out of nowhere and are on its way to become airbnb's for tourists...

Nothing new...

[-] ____@infosec.pub 12 points 3 months ago

Elsewhere, someone suggested that it would be necessary to take the rebuild down to the dirt to handle plumbing and the like for individual units, but I'm not sure I agree.

Generally there is significant excess ceiling height in these commercial spaces, no reason the floor couldn't be raised throughout the space to accommodate plumbing and the like in a way that's easily accessible for future maintenance. You still end up with 8' ceilings (or probably rather more) throughout.

Over the years, I've watched a number of retail chains and malls die, sometimes suddenly and sometimes slowly. It's continuously seemed like a huge waste to me, when conversion to residential space would be relatively easy, relatively affordable, could be funded by local gov or nonprofit, and would make a significant difference in net housing costs in a given area.

When 'traditional' residential developers are competing with that, and with the ability to slap down standard-sized (AKA easy) risers/walls/etc. within commercial spaces of defined sizes, a further reduction in local housing costs is likely.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] Guadin@k.fe.derate.me 26 points 3 months ago

This isn't a too shabby of an idea. It probably won't be used but a mix of stores and homes in one building sounds great.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 20 points 3 months ago

The idea of apartments centered around a grocery plaza has been a thing for a while. It's almost an answer, except it still requires transportation to everything else. Plus the stores tend to be higher prices to support the cost of property and because they can.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

In some places they're already doing it to revitalize the majority of the mall, convert a section and suddenly you've got people around 24/7 that want services.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Yeah, they're trying that around here and failing spectacularly. The recent fascination for new construction in my area seems to be try this "Main Street, USA" shit where they build brutalist flat-roof apartment blocks but with the ground level being retail stores. The rationale seems to be to attempt to build some kind of enclave where people can live, work, and shop without ever having to leave. The only glaring caveats are that the only retail businesses that ever appear here are all shitty franchised fast-casual restaurants where nobody wants to go, with the gaps filled in by the usual parade of payday loan places, cash for gold, crossfit joints that attract no members, and a revolving door of nail salons and wannabe hipster barber shops opening and going out of business.

Notably, none of the retail joints at street level pay enough for anyone working there to afford the astronomical rent for one of the apartments in the same fucking building. These motherfuckers can't even set up a company town correctly...

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 months ago

But keep the appearance of a mall.
That way when we all have Alzheimer's from micro plastics, we can wander around it and feel young

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Stahp, I'm not even 40 yet.

Matt Damon gets older meme

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago
[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago

With those moving walkways you see in airports.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago

This sounds like such bad idea. Just demolish them.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Knock these things down and plant trees and stuff.

While we're at it knock all the corporate 9to5 office work buildings where all the employees can work from home and plant trees and stuff there too.

Trees and ponds and natural parks and shit, hiking trails...etc.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 17 points 3 months ago

As a millenial, all I want is the LAN party old folks home.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

That would be really good, but this idea has been explored and unfortunately it is only viable on a very narrow amount of buildings. Most malls aren't properly built to be housing and the costs of adapting them for housing exceed the cost of just building new housing elsewhere. And the costs of tearing it down and rebuilding are even greater. Overall, Malls are economic net negatives for communities, all single use infrastructure constructions are.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 16 points 3 months ago

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the person who came up with malls WANTED them to be just as you described... Not some shopping centre thing

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

I've seen some concepts for mall-like communities based around retirement homes and elementary schools. Add a library, some shops, and other services, and you're off to a great start.

The old-but-still-able folks can serve as crossing guards, read books to kids, play games with them, perhaps help with coaching or other tasks, etc.. The young kids benefit from the wisdom and time spent with good role models, the retirees get much-needed social interaction, structure, and purpose.

A man can dream.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] hank_and_deans@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

As other people have mentioned, this can be a hard problem.

However, malls are typically surrounded by massive amounts of space used for parking. There is a plan for the largest mall in my region to convert all of that land into residential spaces, 2000 apartments. The parking will be moving underground.

Seems like a decent idea to me.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] GeekFTW@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 months ago

I'm down and claiming the candy store in 113!

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Instead of puzzles and bingo night, we're having GoldenEye tournaments and D&D night!

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Banichan@dormi.zone 12 points 3 months ago

Can't have residential buildings in an area zoned for commercial use.

[-] dumbass@leminal.space 31 points 3 months ago

Just right click on the area and rezone it!

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

do rezonings not happen?

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

Wait you guys are retiring?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

It's funny you think millenials can afford to retire at 60

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] dbx12@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago

Cool idea but lack of natural light could be an issue.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] ptc075@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago

Maybe 10 or so years ago, was a real push to convert old malls into apartments or low income housing. Turns out it's not that easy. Those buildings were built with minimal plumbing, just a few public restrooms and limited water service for the food court. There's just not enough water/sewer to supply more than a small handful of apartments. You'd have to tear up significant portions of the building to run all new plumbing for all the kitchens & bathrooms. And that assumes the underlying city infrastructure that runs to the mall could even support the new water & sewage demands in the first place.

I'll grant you, it is a cool idea. It's just not nearly as simple as it sounds.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago

If my retirement home has Dance Dance Revolution, I may just have to get myself a new hip.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Nah. Vaporwave themed laser tag arenas. Let's go.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If I could buy a large abandoned mall, I would absolutely love to turn it into an affordable community housing complex where shops can be set up alongside the housing units. There's definitely more than enough space in any mall I've ever been to in America where you could easily renovate and turn stores into either single unit housing or maybe 2-3 units (big stores like JCPenney or Sears not included in this count because you could turn those into tens upon tens of units, assuming they're as big as the ones at the mall near where I live).

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 27 Jul 2024
616 points (100.0% liked)

Showerthoughts

29723 readers
393 users here now

A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.

Rules

  1. All posts must be showerthoughts
  2. The entire showerthought must be in the title
  3. Avoid politics
    1. NEW RULE as of 5 Nov 2024, trying it out
    2. Political posts often end up being circle jerks (not offering unique perspective) or enflaming (too much work for mods).
    3. Try c/politicaldiscussion, volunteer as a mod here, or start your own community.
  4. Posts must be original/unique
  5. Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct-----

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS