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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is disturbing how many people here do the thing the meme is ridiculing.

https://www.queeringthemap.com/

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

Living in fear and dying alone, my actual nightmare, and what makes me so merciless in how I view rural conservatives stateside.

They'll see this shit and think it's just desserts. Then they'll tell their kids about it, and some of those kids are gonna lay awake wondering how they could ever hope to get out of knowing their parents unwittingly believe they should be murdered for existing.

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 month ago

If I were gay in Gaza, I'd probably be killed by an Israeli civilian-targeting missile strike

[-] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Something people who say that don't seem to understand is that you can support a group of peoples right to exist and not be genocided, even if they would kill you in a different situation. Human rights aren't conditional on how they would treat you in return.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Applying moral standards as a condition to not murder someone is rather hypocritical.

Especially since those standards have only been mainstream for 20-30 years.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

You sooner or later be a dead gay in Gaza.

I'm just speculating here, but I guess even for the LGBTQ+ community there, not being shot dead or starved is the more pressing concern atm.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Gay folks in Gaza were among some of the folks that would routinely go to the desert venue that Hamas attacked on the 7th because the morality police wouldn't be able to drag them off during performances or for being open at the festivals.

Only other place they could go to know a taste of that freedom was Turkey.

Still makes the israeli soldiers shooting at them and bombing them the biggest most proximate threat to their ability to live openly right now.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's a legitimate complaint. In my part of Canada we have several pride parades led by pro-Palestinian groups, which is absurd not only because there are no Palestinians in it, but because nearly everybody in the parade would be persecuted in Palestine. A trans rights group I've been involved in for a while had a faction break away because we weren't pro-Palestine enough (whatever that means).

I support the creation of a Palestinian state, but queer support of that cause must come with support of queer people in Palestine, rather than pretending they don't exist.

~~Edit: also, nice nose on that comic. Time to check OP's post history...~~

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

The reason trans groups openly support Palestine is because Israel is actively involved in Pinkwashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT). AKA Using gay people as an excuse to commit ethnic cleansing.

By taking away that shield Israel loses social support. Also noteworthy is that gay marriage is banned in Israel.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The status of queer people in Palestine has nothing to do with Israel. There is absolutely nothing preventing Palestinians from stopping their persecution of their queer brothers and sisters. Deflections like yours are exactly part of the problem - you are throwing queer Palestinians under the bus just to fuel your crusade against Israel. What you are doing is actively harmful to LGBTQ+ rights.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If it has nothing to do with Israel why do so many Zionists bring it up gay Palestinians in their debates?

Do you believe Israel genuinely cares about gay Palestinians?

Edit: Also Israel gave Hamas suitcases with cash to keep them in power. So you are wrong about Israel not being complicit. Palestinians have no self-governance because huge outside powers keep meddling in their affairs.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

If it has nothing to do with Israel why do so many Zionists bring it up gay Palestinians in their debates?

It's convenient for them to do so. It makes them hypocrites, but broken clock etc.

Do you believe Israel genuinely cares about gay Palestinians?

No, but again, what does that have to do with the way Palestinians treat their own?

Edit: Also Israel gave Hamas suitcases with cash to keep them in power. So you are wrong about Israel not being complicit. Palestinians have no self-governance because huge outside powers keep meddling in their affairs.

This is true, but I have yet to see any indication that self-rule would improve the lot of queer Palestinians. Their countrymen are overwhelmingly against them, and that is unacceptable. I don't care about religion or arbitrary lines drawn on a map — I care about human rights.

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Palestinians are actively being exterminated in a genocide. Their right to life should not be contingent on anything. Neither should one's opposition to genocide.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Did you reply to the wrong person? Because this doesn't appear to have anything to do with what I said.

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

You said that queer support of a Palestinian state should be contingent on their tolerance of gayness.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's a pretty creative interpretation of what I said. Whether a person is queer or not should not affect their support for a Palestinian state. My comment was specifically regarding the championing of Palestine in the context of a pride parade without also explicitly calling out the plight of queer Palestinians, something I have not seen any of them do. Without that, it's akin to a workers' rights march promoting the UAE.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 6 points 1 month ago

It's not though. Because of the slaughter. The slaying of beings. You forgot about the indiscriminate technological ending of human lives using unstoppable weapons that target civilians. There's a racial killing arena that you forgot. Almost there

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We've been over this, normal people don't question the nose size of their wojak memes

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the source on that. It's still questionable to choose it for this context specifically, but I crossed out my statement.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There are queer people in Gaza and they are being bombed just like everyone else.

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