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Biden pushes party unity as he resists calls to step aside, says he'll return to campaign next week (apnews.com)

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 96 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Obama, Pelosi, Schumer and 2/3rds if Democrats want him out but he's refusing like an old man whose grown children are trying to take away the car keys before he hurts someone.

Unlike those grown children, Democrats don't hold the same love and care for grandpa to force them to grow a pair of balls to know that it's in everyone's best interest and force the issue to pass.

"Most important election in my life" my ass; all that they have to do is stop helping a genocide and they would win, but no.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Most important election in my life

Nothing else at stake here other then his election apparently. Can't help but think about that press release where he blurted out "how do I make this not sound self-centered" before answering why he was wasn't stepping down. Ouf.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 2 months ago

I think at this point it's because the DNC is going to shove him down our throats anyway with their expedited digital vote next Friday so instead of causing even more disruption by throwing a wrench into that at the absolute last minute which will cause bad optics for Democrats, they're just resigned to losing entirely.

"Funny" thing is people keep saying "the rich are safe so they don't care if we lose to a fascist." and they couldn't be more wrong. I don't for one second think Trump isn't going after the DNC as well as the party itself.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

“Funny” thing is people keep saying “the rich are safe so they don’t care if we lose to a fascist.” and they couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t for one second think Trump isn’t going after the DNC as well as the party itself.

i think that we're on track to repeat history and the last time this happened the rich either fled or switched to facism to protect their wealth.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Bribery is legal now so the rich think they'll just bribe it away.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

You were doing okay until the genocide thing. I doubt the "genocide" even enters into it for most independent voters.

[-] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

I think it's foolish to chase "independent" voters (which I assume you're saying to mean the mythical "moderate"). What Biden is fighting is apathy.

Joe Biden being unwilling to call out the genocide in Palestine absolutely drives apathy among voters who feel disenfranchised by the current two party system.

If the Democrats truly cared about winning elections, they'd court the left and drive voter engagement. If we drive up turnout, the Democrats win every time, even with the ridiculously broken electoral college.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Just who the fuck do you thing you are using history and logic?

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

None of those apathetic voters ever have an answer to how Trump will be better for the Palestinians.

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[-] charles@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Tell me the plan that gets more unified support than the current president.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Anything other than the current president.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

The Dems trying to start the campaign over from scratch with someone else this far into the year is just stupid. It's giving the election to the Republicunts and they're salivating.

They shouldn't have had hm run in the fucking first place and been able to actually plan a campaign. This is so fucking amateurish it's pathetic.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Strong disagree.

I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I'm comfortable talking about this topic with.

I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.

I'm way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.

He needs to drop out now.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmings.world 6 points 2 months ago

Biden is the best chance of winning. Any other choice means Trump wins.

[-] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Why do you say that? Every dem and "independent" I talk to tell me they don't want Biden or Harris but they'd be eager to vote for anyone under 60 who is even remotely progressive.

If Biden did a press conference with Newson tomorrow announcing he's passing his campaign to a new generation they would be totally psyched.

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[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Literally every point of actual data disagrees with you.

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[-] Scallionsandeggs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

As someone that's mostly been an outsider, this playing out has given me more faith in the Democratic Party than I've ever had. For as long as I can remember, they've been the feckless, controlled opposition party that might occasionally throw some rights and economic opportunity my way by accident. When they lose a presidential election, it's always "aw, shucks, we'll get 'em next time."

This isn't that. This is the party publicly airing no confidence in their president in July in an election year. This is an emergency and they've broken the glass because there's a real threat to the country.

The glass can't be unbroken at this point. If somehow Biden still became the nominee, all Trump's campaign has to do is point out how his party doesn't even believe he should be president again. The senior party officials knew that going in, and it's why they must continue to mount private, public, and donor pressure on Biden until he gives it up.

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[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd also add my speculation that the repubs want biden to stay in, as he's their best shot at winning.

Anyone else would be an unknown, and I think would be positive.

[-] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's my impression too. They know they can beat Biden/Harris. They don't know if they can beat a different ticket.

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[-] charles@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Name literally one.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

no one knows the right answer but we all know what the wrong answers are because we keep doing them and here we are.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmings.world 7 points 2 months ago

They don’t have one and even if they did Biden is the best chance of winning.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is a public statement. Privately, he’s been saying much different things

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

is there a place i can go read up on it?

[-] killea@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Wow. So the user that does the lion's share of the posting on news/politics on lemmy.world (from what I've observed) states his confound knowledge of the private conversations of POTUS. The very same lemmy.world that has an overwhelming amount of posted coverage of democrats urging Joe Biden to step down, to an arguably oppressive degree. Without a replacement even considered aside from VP Harris. Four months before a presidential election. With the known American attention span. Smells awful.

For the love of all that is holy, vote blue in November to avoid immediate Fascism and CONTINUE to press for our rights and dignity as human beings!

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Four months before a presidential election. With the known American attention span.

You do realize that those two facts mean the opposite is what you imply in your comment, right?

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[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

Democrats are about to get fucked hard, and their hubris did it to them

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I mean....

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You mean, like in 2016? No. Surely not. No.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Alright this is getting fucking ridiculous. If he won't exit with dignity then just 25th amendment his ass.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 2 months ago

The Dems don't want him to exit. They have the means and they know how to use it, so wanting to force him on us has to mean that it's what the party apparatus wants, which is really just what their rich and corporate donors want

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Maybe, but if Schumer, Pelosi, and Schiff are all working to get Biden out, I assume at least a sizable chunk of the leadership wants him to go.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

add obama to that list but it doesn't seem to matter; he's dead set

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Then they just need to remove him. Change the rules before the convention to release the delegates. Have his cabinet declare him unfit for office. It would be much better for the party's chances in November if he would bow out gracefully, but if he won't do that, take the choice away from him. He will lose, so we have to do something.

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[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

For who?

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Harris. Obviously. That's how the line of succession works.

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Fuck that

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Hear that, everybody? PythagreousTitties isn't on board with the VP of the sick and confused 81-year-old president being president. It's kinda the biggest aspect of the entire point of the office of VP, but PythagreousTitties says no, sooooo 🤷‍♂️

No explanation, no nuance, just "fuck that" so let's just pack it up and cross our fingers, I guess.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Also, I think Biden might be doing a good job at "party unity" - in that, a lot of the party seems to be united in him not being the 2024 candidate.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Like the DNC saying it to anyone left of Reagan, Biden doesn't want unity. He wants obedience.

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[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 16 points 2 months ago

Kind of a rock / hard place situation.

If they "force" him out without him dropping out, by faithless delegates or somesuch, it would reveal the entire process of selecting candidates is actually a meaningless farce (which everyone already kinda knew, but no one seems very interested in dispelling that myth just yet).

If he won't consensually drop out within the next week I don't see how they get rid of him without it being an even bigger clusterfuck.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

What if the party unites to oust him?

[-] smnwcj@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

They'd need to be in the same page for his replacement, or it'd be a shit show. A failed attempt would also look awful

[-] slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that because Biden has shown a willingness to go after corporate interests, the money people want him gone. Hence the smear campaign.

Biden may be old, but he's at least wise enough to surround himself with competent people. We can (and should) do better, but more turmoil and uncertainty is just going to drive us into the clutches of fascism.

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[-] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Well this post aged poorly

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