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Obama, Pelosi, Schumer and 2/3rds if Democrats want him out but he's refusing like an old man whose grown children are trying to take away the car keys before he hurts someone.
Unlike those grown children, Democrats don't hold the same love and care for grandpa to force them to grow a pair of balls to know that it's in everyone's best interest and force the issue to pass.
"Most important election in my life" my ass; all that they have to do is stop helping a genocide and they would win, but no.
Nothing else at stake here other then his election apparently. Can't help but think about that press release where he blurted out "how do I make this not sound self-centered" before answering why he was wasn't stepping down. Ouf.
I think at this point it's because the DNC is going to shove him down our throats anyway with their expedited digital vote next Friday so instead of causing even more disruption by throwing a wrench into that at the absolute last minute which will cause bad optics for Democrats, they're just resigned to losing entirely.
"Funny" thing is people keep saying "the rich are safe so they don't care if we lose to a fascist." and they couldn't be more wrong. I don't for one second think Trump isn't going after the DNC as well as the party itself.
i think that we're on track to repeat history and the last time this happened the rich either fled or switched to facism to protect their wealth.
Bribery is legal now so the rich think they'll just bribe it away.
You were doing okay until the genocide thing. I doubt the "genocide" even enters into it for most independent voters.
I think it's foolish to chase "independent" voters (which I assume you're saying to mean the mythical "moderate"). What Biden is fighting is apathy.
Joe Biden being unwilling to call out the genocide in Palestine absolutely drives apathy among voters who feel disenfranchised by the current two party system.
If the Democrats truly cared about winning elections, they'd court the left and drive voter engagement. If we drive up turnout, the Democrats win every time, even with the ridiculously broken electoral college.
Just who the fuck do you thing you are using history and logic?
None of those apathetic voters ever have an answer to how Trump will be better for the Palestinians.
Blaming the voters for being apathetic when the party hasn't given them a reason to be excited sure does seem to be in vogue among Democrat apologists.
Tell me the plan that gets more unified support than the current president.
Anything other than the current president.
The Dems trying to start the campaign over from scratch with someone else this far into the year is just stupid. It's giving the election to the Republicunts and they're salivating.
They shouldn't have had hm run in the fucking first place and been able to actually plan a campaign. This is so fucking amateurish it's pathetic.
Strong disagree.
I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I'm comfortable talking about this topic with.
I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.
I'm way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.
He needs to drop out now.
Biden is the best chance of winning. Any other choice means Trump wins.
Why do you say that? Every dem and "independent" I talk to tell me they don't want Biden or Harris but they'd be eager to vote for anyone under 60 who is even remotely progressive.
If Biden did a press conference with Newson tomorrow announcing he's passing his campaign to a new generation they would be totally psyched.
Every non-maga I talk to is happy to vote for him. This idea that no one wants Biden is something I’m only hearing on lemmy. And the timing is pretty sus
It's possible your experience is very anecdotal. Everyone I talk to that is not magabrained says they'll vote for him, if they must. That's the key part: if they must. Most of them wish there was almost any other Democrat in there.
The polls show that 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out, but apparently Biden and team is more concerned with his ego. Again, if he stays in, I'm voting for him. But I think the Democrats will get absolutely crushed all up and down the ballot if he stays in.
Where do you live? 1600 Pennsylvania ave?
I don't care about arbitrary numbers for age, but Biden just looks lost. It's about cognitive decline. I'll vote him anyway, but a lot of normies think he's "too old" and that means he might not win against someone that should be very beatable (donnie).
Literally every point of actual data disagrees with you.
I'm just not buying that. I think Biden's people and a lot of people walking on eggshells for him may have convinced themselves of that (maybe). But I bet that narrative flips the minute he steps down.
I’m not buying that. Trying to change candidates this late in the game is such a bad idea that the only person that would suggest it is someone who wants Trump to win.
Given that every point of data shows Trump winning in a landside, and probably getting the house and Senate, if Biden stays in suggests that people advocating for Biden staying in want Trump to win.
See what I did there?
Fun fact, actual data supports one and only one of us.
Are you a Russian bot that wants Trump to win?
That must be why the Republicans desperately want to run against him.
As someone that's mostly been an outsider, this playing out has given me more faith in the Democratic Party than I've ever had. For as long as I can remember, they've been the feckless, controlled opposition party that might occasionally throw some rights and economic opportunity my way by accident. When they lose a presidential election, it's always "aw, shucks, we'll get 'em next time."
This isn't that. This is the party publicly airing no confidence in their president in July in an election year. This is an emergency and they've broken the glass because there's a real threat to the country.
The glass can't be unbroken at this point. If somehow Biden still became the nominee, all Trump's campaign has to do is point out how his party doesn't even believe he should be president again. The senior party officials knew that going in, and it's why they must continue to mount private, public, and donor pressure on Biden until he gives it up.
Very well said, and I totally agree. I finally have some respect for the dem party specifically for this. I feel like the usual dem establishment tactics would dictate staying the course with biden, following procedure, etc. By them encouraging him to drop out this late, there is a respect given towards the voter base recognizing we really want someone else, and the real concern of making sure trump doesn't win. This is a truly progressive act, going against the norm, breaking the emergency glass very much needed.
Honestly I think we could destroy trump with a new ticket. The problem now is for biden to have the courage to make the right decision and drop out. If he doesn't ill have no choice but to vote for him, but yikes.
I'd also add my speculation that the repubs want biden to stay in, as he's their best shot at winning.
Anyone else would be an unknown, and I think would be positive.
That's my impression too. They know they can beat Biden/Harris. They don't know if they can beat a different ticket.
Biden is easily the best chance of winning
How? No one wants to vote for him. We are all voting for "Not Trump". Someone that people want to vote for who isn't Trump should perform better.
I've seen you say that a few times here but haven't seen an argument. I'm just curious, why do you think that?
30% approval?
Name literally one.
That's not a plan
This is a good example.
They don’t have one and even if they did Biden is the best chance of winning.
no one knows the right answer but we all know what the wrong answers are because we keep doing them and here we are.
This is a public statement. Privately, he’s been saying much different things
is there a place i can go read up on it?
Wow. So the user that does the lion's share of the posting on news/politics on lemmy.world (from what I've observed) states his confound knowledge of the private conversations of POTUS. The very same lemmy.world that has an overwhelming amount of posted coverage of democrats urging Joe Biden to step down, to an arguably oppressive degree. Without a replacement even considered aside from VP Harris. Four months before a presidential election. With the known American attention span. Smells awful.
For the love of all that is holy, vote blue in November to avoid immediate Fascism and CONTINUE to press for our rights and dignity as human beings!
You do realize that those two facts mean the opposite is what you imply in your comment, right?
Im not privy to any secret POTUS convos. I’m just stating what I’ve read in the news.
I don’t mod on politics, so I can’t speak for them, but the content on Lemmy seems to reflect the content I’ve seen in media coverage