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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

This is insane pressure on Biden to step down. I hope it gets through to him. I dread to think of what happens with such division in the party going into the nomination process.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

idk if you've been following the Republican convention, but needless to say, they appear to be very..

"energized"

The democrats need a massive shot in the arm to even have a shot at this point, replacing Biden or naught. The assassination attempt provided a kind of rallying cry for MAGA/ Trumpers that polling won't capture. Polling is good at capturing the distribution of demographics, but what it misses is how "activated" those demographics are. And boy-howdy, do Trumps key demographics seem activated. Possibly the most activated they've ever been, maybe even more-so than post 2020/J6.

If things don't change massively, and even then, its a super difficult path for Democrats to come back from the situation that Blue MAGA has set up.

Maybe the AOC/ Bernie triangulation is setting up for throwing AOC onto the platform?

Harris/ AOC and the entire platform is: Women liberty and freedom of choice is our focus. If you elect us, our entire focus will be a constitutional amendment supporting a woman's right to choose. Harris can activate the African American community. Women & the African American community to get NC & GA (maybe?). Let Harris or AOC put out better rhetoric on Gaza and WI/ MI/ MN can be back in play?

Like they've got to activate a/ any demographic and make this campaign about SOMETHING, because right now, it looks like the Democrats are stumbling into something similar to this:

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

All of this!

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

I would not call it “insane” pressure.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Prominent sitting congressmembers publicly asking for the presumptive nominee and incumbent president to step down is... very outside of the norm. It is an incredible and unprecedented pressure.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

sitting congressmembers publicly asking for the presumptive nominee and incumbent president to step down

Not enough hyperbole dude. I don't have time to do the research, but its not clear to me that a situation where the incumbent president and presumptive nominee is being asked to step down by effectively ALL of the rest of party leadership, with only the fringe block (progressives) maintaining support.

I think i can recall a vaguely similar situation with maybe Grover Cleveland and the mugwumps? And iirc that was all about currency (gold vs silver vs fiat vs a historical aside: land based currency; worth reading on)..

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Insane pressure to me would be party leaders of House and Senate, former Presidents of the same party, united cabinet members or close family members simultaneously saying it is time to go. ☎️ My call is that Obama will have to be the bad guy on this one though.☎️

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Obama has called. Pelosi has called. Schiff has called. How far you gonna pedal these goal posts?

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I don’t think Obama has showed up yet to walk him out of the room holding his hand. That is what I am talking about.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

The norm sucks. The fucking norm got us into this mess by discouraging people from primarying a sitting president. If we'd had a robust primary we'd either be fully on board with Biden or we'd have dropped him already.

Fuck norm. He was like the worst character on Cheers.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago
[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Ha, I wanted a Cheers reference and so I dropped that one but it also did cause me pain. Norm is exceedingly chill.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

How long until Blue MAGA starts calling Schiff a Russian bot? /s

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 52 points 2 years ago

what the fuck is blue maga? that is the most propaganda ass name lmfao

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

It sounds exactly like a “Hey, our MAGA people are insane and worship a really stupid guy for [reasons no rational person understands], so obviously they have a group of people who are equally insane!” when no one worships Biden; it’s just the alternative is too nuts to ever vote for.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 years ago

You can tell some of these people are perpetually online and act like regular people are out there acting /thinking this way when they're just not.

Like we see the strings buddy, we know this is puppetry and we see the narrative you're selling lmfao

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Its not a remotely new thing. Its been around since 2017.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/blue-maga

A 2020 primary meme describing it:

More recent examples are things like Whoopi saying she'd be voting for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage. Or Joy Reid saying she'd vote for Biden if he was in a coma. If that resonates with you, you are probably blue maga.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 29 points 2 years ago

This is a meme someone made this means nothing. Blue Maga is not a thing taking snippets of what dummies say is called creating a narrative

It is Bernie Bros 2.0, a name the Clinton team created to try and gender Bernie supporters

Aka, propaganda

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago
[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 years ago

A guardian article that makes it really real 🙄

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

[Hey look its the thing]

Looks like your index finger might be having a little trouble actually clicking. Let me get that for you:

Writing for the Guardian, 15 years ago, the cult expert Rick Ross warned us to “watch out for the tell-tale signs” of a cult, including “no tolerance for questions or critical inquiry”, “there is no legitimate reason to leave”, “former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil”, and “the group/ leader is always right”.

Anyone who has observed the behaviour of the Democratic party base, especially online; of elected Democrats on Capitol Hill; and of the Democratic president himself, since the CNN debate on 28 June, will have spotted some of those “tell-tale signs”.

Let’s start with the Democratic base – those “hyper-partisans” who “act like members of a cult because they treat their political party like a religious identity”, to quote the political strategist Chris Sosa. I have spent the past few weeks watching the Very Online members of the base embracing an endless stream of “Blue Anon” conspiracy theories, pushed on behalf of the Dear Leader.

Link

Key elements:

“no tolerance for questions or critical inquiry”,

“there is no legitimate reason to leave”,

“former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil”,

“the group/ leader is always right”.

Here, this is for you.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Ok, but you are like, in denial/ denying something exists.

Like, your thoughts or opinions around what blue-maga is or its existence are irrelevant.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 15 points 2 years ago

This term appeared in the last what like two weeks?

There are posts about it, kids like you running around repeating it and any questions gets you the same four articles slammed in your face.

No, that's coordinated lmfao. Nobody supports Joe that much they just stand against this dividing crumbling party.

It is literally propaganda and I'm pretty sure most of us see that lol

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[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

You realize that people only say that stuff to emphasize that it literally doesn't matter what the person running against Trump does, they'll vote for them to keep him out of office, right? It's less a sweeping declaration of loyalty for a political party/cult of personality, and more an affirmation for how badly they want to keep Trump out of office.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 17 points 2 years ago

Roll my fuckin eyes

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I can't wait to hear about how Adam Schiff is now a trumpet...

It seems like the only people left explicitly supporting Biden, are the people Biden has appointed to run the DNC...

And I'm sure it's a total coincidence that if a Dem besides Biden wins, they'd get to replace the DNC chair and all the other seat Biden got to appoint in 2020...

But if Biden runs and loses they maintain control of the party again for next election.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

But if Biden runs and loses they maintain control of the party again for next election.

(...) for next election.

Oh boy have they got a lesson coming.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Good. Biden needs to fuck off into the sunset.

[-] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

All this talk for Biden to back down from the race but who the fuck are they gonna replace him with

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